1 00:00:43,820 --> 00:00:31,410 [Music] 2 00:00:46,580 --> 00:00:43,830 yeah welcome to my new show 3 00:00:48,530 --> 00:00:46,590 paranormal dimensions my name's David 4 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:48,540 Young thank you to the team but 5 00:00:52,220 --> 00:00:50,610 paranormal you came radio network for 6 00:00:53,390 --> 00:00:52,230 having a faith in me and for their 7 00:00:55,580 --> 00:00:53,400 support in getting the show off the 8 00:00:57,350 --> 00:00:55,590 ground thank you especially for the 9 00:00:59,780 --> 00:00:57,360 bursar yesterday bit two hours would be 10 00:01:02,630 --> 00:00:59,790 setting up this message of thing so 11 00:01:05,510 --> 00:01:02,640 anyway hopefully it's gonna be the first 12 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:05,520 of many so be gentle with me I hope they 13 00:01:08,750 --> 00:01:07,290 have many interesting guests and covers 14 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:08,760 some fascinating subjects of the 15 00:01:12,380 --> 00:01:11,010 paranormal I'll say at this point that 16 00:01:14,660 --> 00:01:12,390 we're all on the same journey of 17 00:01:16,999 --> 00:01:14,670 discovery and we may travel through many 18 00:01:18,620 --> 00:01:17,009 dimensions of the paranormal together if 19 00:01:20,389 --> 00:01:18,630 you'll decide your company on this then 20 00:01:24,170 --> 00:01:20,399 this strange journey I will try to keep 21 00:01:26,510 --> 00:01:24,180 you safe from harm oh and some BS right 22 00:01:28,310 --> 00:01:26,520 talking about BS I'll go introduce you 23 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:28,320 now to my very first guest they are not 24 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:30,210 saying she's BS but she's actually been 25 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:32,490 a very serious debunk over the last 26 00:01:38,350 --> 00:01:35,130 couple of years with something we make 27 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:38,360 it into here but we'll certainly be 28 00:01:42,260 --> 00:01:40,410 pointing you in the right direction to 29 00:01:44,779 --> 00:01:42,270 see what what we're talking about 30 00:01:46,969 --> 00:01:44,789 what's her name is Sasha Christie she's 31 00:01:55,100 --> 00:01:46,979 a regular friend than one and she's 32 00:01:57,529 --> 00:01:55,110 gonna be fascinating I'm sure is your 33 00:01:59,029 --> 00:01:57,539 first yes I couldn't resist 34 00:02:03,859 --> 00:01:59,039 not having new ones to be honest to it 35 00:02:07,580 --> 00:02:03,869 so you know you know I need to feel 36 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:07,590 comfortable a stubble first you've got 37 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:09,209 some fascinating stuff to tell us all 38 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:13,770 about and really I just like to start 39 00:02:18,650 --> 00:02:16,050 off by saying how did you get into the 40 00:02:20,059 --> 00:02:18,660 paranormal world if you like I know 41 00:02:22,670 --> 00:02:20,069 you've had an expert has some 42 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:22,680 experiences of your own well I didn't 43 00:02:26,420 --> 00:02:24,330 actually get into it it just wouldn't 44 00:02:29,660 --> 00:02:26,430 leave me alone so I ended up trying to 45 00:02:32,589 --> 00:02:29,670 figure it out even as a kid I had weird 46 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:32,599 things going off around me and I always 47 00:02:38,630 --> 00:02:36,290 felt you know strange in certain places 48 00:02:40,940 --> 00:02:38,640 woken up in the middle of the night you 49 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:40,950 know like terrified you just think 50 00:02:44,030 --> 00:02:42,810 something's watching me you know anyone 51 00:02:46,010 --> 00:02:44,040 who was up that experience will know 52 00:02:50,330 --> 00:02:46,020 exactly what I mean that used to happen 53 00:02:53,300 --> 00:02:50,340 when I was a you know a teenager yeah 54 00:02:54,559 --> 00:02:53,310 lots of weird experiences and so I don't 55 00:02:56,959 --> 00:02:54,569 feel like 56 00:02:58,970 --> 00:02:56,969 I actually chose the Paragon well I feel 57 00:03:02,449 --> 00:02:58,980 like it direct me into it kicking and 58 00:03:04,399 --> 00:03:02,459 screaming most people will get involved 59 00:03:06,110 --> 00:03:04,409 in a lot mediums for instance I don't 60 00:03:08,569 --> 00:03:06,120 think they choose to be mediums I think 61 00:03:10,009 --> 00:03:08,579 they just in doing it because they're 62 00:03:12,500 --> 00:03:10,019 chosen from the other side aren't they 63 00:03:14,030 --> 00:03:12,510 yeah yeah I mean I've told what my 64 00:03:16,309 --> 00:03:14,040 little story about when I was a baby I 65 00:03:18,979 --> 00:03:16,319 was in the courts getting up at the side 66 00:03:20,839 --> 00:03:18,989 you probably told your story before but 67 00:03:23,420 --> 00:03:20,849 it's a a purple mist coming in the door 68 00:03:24,410 --> 00:03:23,430 and swirling around the room and I can 69 00:03:26,599 --> 00:03:24,420 remember it going back out the door 70 00:03:28,759 --> 00:03:26,609 again I remember standing there 71 00:03:31,399 --> 00:03:28,769 screaming and father came in and I told 72 00:03:33,319 --> 00:03:31,409 him look at that purple mist and he 73 00:03:36,020 --> 00:03:33,329 couldn't see it at all you know I mean 74 00:03:37,399 --> 00:03:36,030 that was my earliest and I've to be 75 00:03:38,899 --> 00:03:37,409 honest I've never really experienced 76 00:03:40,940 --> 00:03:38,909 anything else apart from that and so a 77 00:03:43,699 --> 00:03:40,950 wild sort of later years experiences 78 00:03:45,490 --> 00:03:43,709 with mediums and things so yeah it was 79 00:03:47,690 --> 00:03:45,500 just one of those strange things that 80 00:03:49,580 --> 00:03:47,700 had an answer to I don't know if there's 81 00:03:52,429 --> 00:03:49,590 any see anything that mean you know with 82 00:03:54,710 --> 00:03:52,439 a purple mist meaning in it but I don't 83 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:54,720 know it's funny you say that I had to 84 00:03:59,869 --> 00:03:57,930 dream about a green mist yeah there was 85 00:04:01,819 --> 00:03:59,879 a knock on the jaw and two people then 86 00:04:02,330 --> 00:04:01,829 there was a green mist as I open the 87 00:04:04,339 --> 00:04:02,340 door 88 00:04:06,379 --> 00:04:04,349 I accidentally breathes from over in and 89 00:04:15,469 --> 00:04:06,389 then I realized that it was a life farm 90 00:04:18,439 --> 00:04:15,479 I'm told it get and said yeah I remember 91 00:04:20,569 --> 00:04:18,449 well my stayed at your house last year 92 00:04:23,089 --> 00:04:20,579 we did have a conversation about all 93 00:04:24,830 --> 00:04:23,099 this and I think you know that you are 94 00:04:26,810 --> 00:04:24,840 actually quite sensitive I think we even 95 00:04:28,129 --> 00:04:26,820 had a few quirky coincidences as well 96 00:04:29,750 --> 00:04:28,139 but I can't remember what they are or 97 00:04:31,580 --> 00:04:29,760 something like that now I think we've 98 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:31,590 all got the I think we've all got it you 99 00:04:36,230 --> 00:04:32,849 know seven-way but it's just a matter 100 00:04:38,029 --> 00:04:36,240 sort of realizing what what is and what 101 00:04:39,620 --> 00:04:38,039 isn't you know I mean the amount of 102 00:04:41,870 --> 00:04:39,630 times that I've been meaning to call 103 00:04:46,850 --> 00:04:41,880 somebody on the phone and suddenly there 104 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:46,860 they are on the phone you think oh I can 105 00:04:49,310 --> 00:04:48,090 I can make she's coming over the 106 00:04:54,379 --> 00:04:49,320 airwaves or something that's getting 107 00:04:57,860 --> 00:04:54,389 into your brightness happens ridiculous 108 00:05:00,770 --> 00:04:57,870 well recently actually I've got a friend 109 00:05:03,379 --> 00:05:00,780 over in the states she travels around a 110 00:05:07,159 --> 00:05:03,389 lot she's called Barbara with and or 111 00:05:08,060 --> 00:05:07,169 other I think it's pronounced with and I 112 00:05:11,900 --> 00:05:08,070 met her 113 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:11,910 before any Facebook or anything existed 114 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:14,130 and we was talking in a forum a 115 00:05:19,340 --> 00:05:16,770 spiritual forum and she was doing this 116 00:05:21,650 --> 00:05:19,350 emotional freedom technique training so 117 00:05:23,210 --> 00:05:21,660 she needed people to do it with and so I 118 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:23,220 did it with her and it was called 119 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:25,890 conflict revolution now I was in my 120 00:05:32,210 --> 00:05:27,450 bookcase the other day and that that's 121 00:05:33,410 --> 00:05:32,220 like in 2005 so we kind of drifted apart 122 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:33,420 on Facebook 123 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:36,570 having spoken to it for a while she's 124 00:05:40,700 --> 00:05:38,370 always up to something she's like me 125 00:05:43,460 --> 00:05:40,710 times 10 she's like me with her act 126 00:05:50,300 --> 00:05:48,680 she's an author she'd sent me a book and 127 00:05:52,010 --> 00:05:50,310 I was in the bookcase and I saw the book 128 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:52,020 and I picked it up and I thought oh my 129 00:05:57,140 --> 00:05:54,810 gosh that just seems like so long ago I 130 00:06:01,550 --> 00:05:57,150 can't you know like a million lifetimes 131 00:06:03,530 --> 00:06:01,560 ago far Sascha's ago you know I put it 132 00:06:05,450 --> 00:06:03,540 back I'll have to read that again you 133 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:05,460 know and and then I got a message from 134 00:06:10,690 --> 00:06:06,210 her the other day 135 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:10,700 hi I'm a books a book signing in London 136 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:14,250 February to March and I've got some 137 00:06:20,020 --> 00:06:16,650 spare time and I'd like to come see if 138 00:06:22,100 --> 00:06:20,030 that's okay and I was like yeah great 139 00:06:25,730 --> 00:06:22,110 George Gillett book coaster know 140 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:25,740 something was going to happen it's like 141 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:28,170 that I'll think of somebody and then a 142 00:06:32,510 --> 00:06:30,090 little while later they'll turn up I 143 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:32,520 mean it works in awful ways as well like 144 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:36,530 a friend of mine he died last November 145 00:06:42,230 --> 00:06:40,170 sorry the November before but I had this 146 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:42,240 awful feeling that three weeks before he 147 00:06:46,340 --> 00:06:44,010 died he'd actually died and then he 148 00:06:47,660 --> 00:06:46,350 hadn't died so I kind of like was sort 149 00:06:49,730 --> 00:06:47,670 of like beating that feeling out of 150 00:06:51,830 --> 00:06:49,740 myself you know what their where's that 151 00:06:53,210 --> 00:06:51,840 come from you know and it bothered me 152 00:06:55,250 --> 00:06:53,220 that much thoughts of my mom about it 153 00:06:57,620 --> 00:06:55,260 and I spoke to my daughter about it and 154 00:07:00,140 --> 00:06:57,630 then they did die three weeks later so 155 00:07:03,020 --> 00:07:00,150 it's always a bit like it's always a few 156 00:07:05,030 --> 00:07:03,030 weeks notice that again but I don't 157 00:07:07,070 --> 00:07:05,040 realize what it is you can't go warn 158 00:07:08,150 --> 00:07:07,080 them about it or speaks of about it you 159 00:07:14,660 --> 00:07:08,160 know because it's four of those things 160 00:07:16,460 --> 00:07:14,670 that's unspoken you died yeah yeah well 161 00:07:20,210 --> 00:07:16,470 actually no my friends we do talk like 162 00:07:21,710 --> 00:07:20,220 that but yeah it tries to get hold of 163 00:07:24,110 --> 00:07:21,720 him 164 00:07:26,630 --> 00:07:24,120 I did but he changed his number you know 165 00:07:30,470 --> 00:07:26,640 one it was just sad 166 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:30,480 well yeah I do know that coincident Inc 167 00:07:40,310 --> 00:07:34,650 good thing you lost a few friends last 168 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:40,320 year there was a few in a row 169 00:07:46,100 --> 00:07:42,810 yeah there was family and friends as 170 00:07:51,500 --> 00:07:46,110 well fall deaths in total yeah crazy 171 00:07:54,020 --> 00:07:51,510 because life isn't a major part of life 172 00:07:57,050 --> 00:07:54,030 isn't it unfortunately well I've lost 173 00:07:58,670 --> 00:07:57,060 people from being very young you know my 174 00:08:02,330 --> 00:07:58,680 grandparents and then my brother and 175 00:08:04,700 --> 00:08:02,340 then you know various friends through 176 00:08:08,170 --> 00:08:04,710 accidents and suicide and all these 177 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:08,180 kinds of things that's also to me like 178 00:08:14,270 --> 00:08:11,850 death is just a huge part of life and I 179 00:08:17,390 --> 00:08:14,280 don't know if I've just come to think 180 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:17,400 that because I need to be able to cope 181 00:08:22,930 --> 00:08:20,370 with lots of laughs but effectively 182 00:08:25,610 --> 00:08:22,940 paranormal experiences to actually think 183 00:08:27,710 --> 00:08:25,620 anything other than there is more after 184 00:08:29,510 --> 00:08:27,720 we die you know I know some people that 185 00:08:37,659 --> 00:08:29,520 I talk to really don't believe it 186 00:08:41,029 --> 00:08:39,380 you're very strong 187 00:08:42,829 --> 00:08:41,039 lady because you've been stuffing a lot 188 00:08:47,810 --> 00:08:42,839 with your own health and health problems 189 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:47,820 and yeah pressures you you start to 190 00:08:52,490 --> 00:08:50,610 perform don't ya like well there's a tux 191 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:52,500 going on and I had bailed on death row 192 00:08:56,510 --> 00:08:54,450 in are all these kind of things and then 193 00:08:57,980 --> 00:08:56,520 my health was terrible my health was 194 00:08:59,600 --> 00:08:57,990 terrible because of all the bloody 195 00:09:00,140 --> 00:08:59,610 tablets that the doctors had put me on 196 00:09:03,980 --> 00:09:00,150 sir 197 00:09:06,290 --> 00:09:03,990 I spent doing all of that I was also 198 00:09:08,270 --> 00:09:06,300 withdrawing from several tablets I 199 00:09:13,340 --> 00:09:08,280 completely stopped eating meat eating 200 00:09:15,230 --> 00:09:13,350 bread and no more sugar and you know 201 00:09:18,050 --> 00:09:15,240 because my body couldn't say the 202 00:09:20,300 --> 00:09:18,060 pressure of being trolled because the 203 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:20,310 blood pressure went up and my heart is 204 00:09:31,310 --> 00:09:28,810 yeah well attempts to be controlled yeah 205 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:31,320 because even my dad come Tommy wants to 206 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:35,370 do you like that 207 00:09:42,140 --> 00:09:37,730 what with all the viola going on analyze 208 00:09:44,030 --> 00:09:42,150 it was hard but now we know that it was 209 00:09:46,100 --> 00:09:44,040 worth it because I was certainly coming 210 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:46,110 out from the other end of it yeah yeah 211 00:09:49,490 --> 00:09:47,970 yeah and the evidence speaks for itself 212 00:09:54,620 --> 00:09:49,500 you don't even have to listen to me just 213 00:09:56,270 --> 00:09:54,630 listen as we go along and point people 214 00:09:58,130 --> 00:09:56,280 in the right direction to onto your 215 00:09:59,750 --> 00:09:58,140 websites and your blogs and everything 216 00:10:03,170 --> 00:09:59,760 but make sure everyone knows where to 217 00:10:04,670 --> 00:10:03,180 look I suppose I mean we are quite 218 00:10:17,540 --> 00:10:04,680 looking forward to the conference we're 219 00:10:18,650 --> 00:10:17,550 doing next year with all the evidence 220 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:18,660 and showing all the evidence and 221 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:19,650 everything so that should be very 222 00:10:24,710 --> 00:10:21,330 interesting for most people who don't 223 00:10:26,420 --> 00:10:24,720 know much about it yeah yeah well we've 224 00:10:28,910 --> 00:10:26,430 got to set things right of a way the 225 00:10:31,490 --> 00:10:28,920 things are out of balance and that 226 00:10:33,620 --> 00:10:31,500 balance needs to be addressed and that's 227 00:10:35,420 --> 00:10:33,630 what we're doing anyway what's your 228 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:35,430 experience what are your opinions about 229 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:39,930 most ghosts and hauntings and I think 230 00:10:46,850 --> 00:10:42,090 there's a lot of things going on I think 231 00:10:49,310 --> 00:10:46,860 it's not any one thing because some 232 00:10:51,470 --> 00:10:49,320 ghost hunting yourself Junior I well I 233 00:10:53,450 --> 00:10:51,480 used to ghost on and then I started 234 00:10:55,220 --> 00:10:53,460 paranormal investigating there's a 235 00:10:56,420 --> 00:10:55,230 difference one is when you don't know 236 00:10:59,210 --> 00:10:56,430 what the hell you doing and you just 237 00:11:03,800 --> 00:10:59,220 sort of chess and about in the dark and 238 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:03,810 you actually I've got some knowledge in 239 00:11:09,140 --> 00:11:07,170 your brain about what it is that you're 240 00:11:13,930 --> 00:11:09,150 actually looking for what the signs are 241 00:11:18,310 --> 00:11:13,940 and how to you know be skilled 242 00:11:22,340 --> 00:11:18,320 investigating and get the maximum 243 00:11:24,860 --> 00:11:22,350 information that you can you know I used 244 00:11:26,330 --> 00:11:24,870 to think that I knew it all so obviously 245 00:11:27,860 --> 00:11:26,340 for a period of time I wasn't learning 246 00:11:29,300 --> 00:11:27,870 anything because if you think you know 247 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:29,310 it all you don't you're not in the place 248 00:11:35,780 --> 00:11:33,210 of learning i er there's no there are no 249 00:11:36,650 --> 00:11:35,790 experts in this field or any field to do 250 00:11:38,420 --> 00:11:36,660 it a paranormal 251 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:38,430 there's people no more a little bit more 252 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:40,650 those but it's certainly no expert at 253 00:11:47,630 --> 00:11:44,610 all it's not even a tangible thing is it 254 00:11:49,100 --> 00:11:47,640 I mean I I like old fashioned 255 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:49,110 investigations but 256 00:11:53,030 --> 00:11:50,370 I actually really like these 257 00:11:56,150 --> 00:11:53,040 technological investigations as well and 258 00:11:59,210 --> 00:11:56,160 you know like the technology that's 259 00:12:04,120 --> 00:11:59,220 becoming available they connect thing 260 00:12:07,220 --> 00:12:04,130 where they can map bodies and how these 261 00:12:09,590 --> 00:12:07,230 ghosts a shape-shifting for example 262 00:12:13,850 --> 00:12:09,600 there's been a couple of times when 263 00:12:16,190 --> 00:12:13,860 they're the stick figure has turned into 264 00:12:18,259 --> 00:12:16,200 what looks like a table and I've gone oh 265 00:12:21,079 --> 00:12:18,269 my god they've turned into a spider a 266 00:12:24,350 --> 00:12:21,089 little while later the psychic ends it 267 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:24,360 with a big spider on him and I was like 268 00:12:30,530 --> 00:12:28,410 that's do you think right so okay what 269 00:12:31,970 --> 00:12:30,540 we've got is we've got dead people they 270 00:12:34,130 --> 00:12:31,980 were confused and lost because maybe 271 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:34,140 it'll confused and lost at the end of 272 00:12:38,050 --> 00:12:35,730 the life and might not even know that 273 00:12:41,630 --> 00:12:38,060 the dead so they're actually that's the 274 00:12:45,380 --> 00:12:41,640 spirit of the person and a ghost I would 275 00:12:48,019 --> 00:12:45,390 say is just a place memory an imprint of 276 00:12:49,250 --> 00:12:48,029 energy that some people can see I've 277 00:12:51,380 --> 00:12:49,260 seen a ghost 278 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:51,390 what I would say was a ghost and that 279 00:12:58,269 --> 00:12:54,570 was an impact think was an imprint of an 280 00:13:00,829 --> 00:12:58,279 energy that lived or died in a castle 281 00:13:04,250 --> 00:13:00,839 Featherstone Castle I don't think that 282 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:04,260 that was the actual spirit of the woman 283 00:13:10,069 --> 00:13:05,970 you know I think it was like a place 284 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:10,079 memory so and then you've got things 285 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:15,290 like elementals and PK manifestations 286 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:20,010 and poltergeists which pretty much are 287 00:13:27,769 --> 00:13:23,250 PK but you know and then you've got 288 00:13:31,069 --> 00:13:27,779 things the that were human that have now 289 00:13:32,630 --> 00:13:31,079 become demonic you know some real 290 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:32,640 negative entities we've got the shadow 291 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:34,410 people that seem to be from another 292 00:13:41,449 --> 00:13:38,490 dimension anyway you know and then we've 293 00:13:43,970 --> 00:13:41,459 got these portals are interdimensional 294 00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:43,980 doorways scattered about the place where 295 00:13:50,090 --> 00:13:47,670 this phenomena can manifest itself into 296 00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:50,100 our environment and occasionally that 297 00:13:55,060 --> 00:13:53,310 involves using people to manifest 298 00:13:58,069 --> 00:13:55,070 themselves in this environment if it's 299 00:14:01,100 --> 00:13:58,079 related to said the reptilians for 300 00:14:02,780 --> 00:14:01,110 example was just one way that they can 301 00:14:06,050 --> 00:14:02,790 interact here 302 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:06,060 through oz which is really quite scary 303 00:14:11,090 --> 00:14:09,330 yeah I used to hear those stories about 304 00:14:12,890 --> 00:14:11,100 reptilians of the I think what 305 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:12,900 ridiculous but yeah the more you 306 00:14:16,910 --> 00:14:14,730 actually it does sound ridiculous but 307 00:14:19,940 --> 00:14:16,920 the more you look into it and actually 308 00:14:21,590 --> 00:14:19,950 study it it's a lot awful lot of them 309 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:21,600 and there's so many people all over the 310 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:22,770 world if you had those same experiences 311 00:14:28,490 --> 00:14:26,910 ever they have seen it there's people 312 00:14:32,510 --> 00:14:28,500 that can see things in our environment 313 00:14:35,780 --> 00:14:32,520 that we all can't see and you know I 314 00:14:38,450 --> 00:14:35,790 sometimes can see stuff and sometimes I 315 00:14:44,570 --> 00:14:38,460 just hear it or sometimes I just feel it 316 00:14:47,390 --> 00:14:44,580 so you know I saw two shadow people step 317 00:14:50,030 --> 00:14:47,400 out of Jason Andrews at a conference in 318 00:14:52,940 --> 00:14:50,040 Lytham st. Anne's 319 00:14:55,340 --> 00:14:52,950 he's a reptilian abductee and I thought 320 00:14:57,350 --> 00:14:55,350 my eyes were imagining oh it was an 321 00:14:58,730 --> 00:14:57,360 imprint of a shadow you know like when 322 00:15:00,230 --> 00:14:58,740 you look at something it leaves a kind 323 00:15:01,850 --> 00:15:00,240 of print in your eye so I'm looking 324 00:15:03,140 --> 00:15:01,860 thinking oh maybe you know it's that I 325 00:15:05,810 --> 00:15:03,150 was looking around kept looking back 326 00:15:08,570 --> 00:15:05,820 there it was and then a year later I met 327 00:15:11,060 --> 00:15:08,580 them in the flesh and up until then to 328 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:11,070 me I didn't know if I believed any of it 329 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:13,050 even our seeing stuff with my own eyes I 330 00:15:16,910 --> 00:15:14,370 thought well it's in my head maybe I'm 331 00:15:18,650 --> 00:15:16,920 generating this you know I do question 332 00:15:23,780 --> 00:15:18,660 myself I don't just accept everything 333 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:23,790 blindly so anyway I I saw this and a 334 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:25,170 friend who was sat at the other side of 335 00:15:31,730 --> 00:15:29,490 the hall so it also so that was there 336 00:15:36,860 --> 00:15:31,740 you know and you like Oh lovely what 337 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:36,870 does that even mean old castles and 338 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:39,210 things I've been the herb Richard Felix 339 00:15:43,340 --> 00:15:41,250 speaking a couple years ago but in 340 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:43,350 Nottingham I think it was and he was 341 00:15:48,140 --> 00:15:46,290 talking about spirits seemed to imprint 342 00:15:50,450 --> 00:15:48,150 themselves into old stone there's like a 343 00:15:52,850 --> 00:15:50,460 lock of magnetic recording he seems to 344 00:15:55,930 --> 00:15:52,860 say they seized theory I think I've seen 345 00:15:58,730 --> 00:15:55,940 that before as well somewhere about 346 00:16:02,000 --> 00:15:58,740 stone is full of crystal isn't it so 347 00:16:04,970 --> 00:16:02,010 it's you know it's crystal star energy 348 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:04,980 that's what they do so I guess that with 349 00:16:09,170 --> 00:16:06,810 it being a lot of these older buildings 350 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:09,180 being very thick walled because of the 351 00:16:15,140 --> 00:16:12,690 cold etc that it takes longer for these 352 00:16:16,100 --> 00:16:15,150 imprints and these explosions of moments 353 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:16,110 to 354 00:16:22,730 --> 00:16:19,890 you escaped - you know like if you think 355 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:22,740 about in terms of electricity there is 356 00:16:27,110 --> 00:16:23,970 all ions 357 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:27,120 I am the positive or negative they need 358 00:16:32,300 --> 00:16:30,810 to discharge off a positive positive one 359 00:16:34,250 --> 00:16:32,310 and a negative one needs to hit each 360 00:16:37,610 --> 00:16:34,260 other and then they both disappear but 361 00:16:39,590 --> 00:16:37,620 you know I think that because of the 362 00:16:42,139 --> 00:16:39,600 stone and the crystal it just kind of 363 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:42,149 it's a slower process but I reckon the 364 00:16:47,449 --> 00:16:45,690 crystal probably already always returned 365 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:47,459 that energy but it just depends on how 366 00:16:51,620 --> 00:16:49,410 much other activity has happened on top 367 00:16:54,380 --> 00:16:51,630 of it and how far back in layers it goes 368 00:16:57,650 --> 00:16:54,390 you know so I think that's the storm 369 00:17:00,500 --> 00:16:57,660 take theory and I don't know if you 370 00:17:02,449 --> 00:17:00,510 actually need that kind of thing for a 371 00:17:06,439 --> 00:17:02,459 place to have memories because there's 372 00:17:09,380 --> 00:17:06,449 areas in America say whether it's just 373 00:17:10,850 --> 00:17:09,390 vast wilderness well you're still a but 374 00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:10,860 there's nothing there but people still 375 00:17:18,020 --> 00:17:13,199 having paranormal experiences and things 376 00:17:20,419 --> 00:17:18,030 that I think it just depends on the 377 00:17:24,100 --> 00:17:20,429 amount of energy that ever went into a 378 00:17:27,590 --> 00:17:24,110 moment that's been captured that way a 379 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:27,600 lot of energy love it's like a magical 380 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:31,290 right in the way it casts something you 381 00:17:39,020 --> 00:17:34,650 know so those energies just don't seem 382 00:17:40,669 --> 00:17:39,030 to vapor a to because it seems changed 383 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:40,679 when you hear about Roman soldiers and 384 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:41,970 you can see them for like the knees 385 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:44,010 upwards or something you know yeah it 386 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:47,010 seems changed walking on on an old level 387 00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:50,370 but you don't see hair people hate 388 00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:54,000 seeing caveman so I think it disappears 389 00:18:00,860 --> 00:17:58,080 eventually I think it dissipates that's 390 00:18:03,110 --> 00:18:00,870 all about that yeah yeah interesting 391 00:18:05,180 --> 00:18:03,120 you're talking about some instruments 392 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:05,190 and things about and portals this we 393 00:18:19,310 --> 00:18:06,570 know there's some fake instruments and 394 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:19,320 things out there people try to say it's 395 00:18:25,450 --> 00:18:22,650 an alien telephone is the only person 396 00:18:28,669 --> 00:18:25,460 that builds these ghost boxes that 397 00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:28,679 claims to be able to contact aliens as 398 00:18:33,020 --> 00:18:29,760 well as 399 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:33,030 dad so yeah that's quite amusing to tell 400 00:18:40,730 --> 00:18:35,010 SETI just to pack it in and they consult 401 00:18:47,900 --> 00:18:40,740 it out for about a few complaints from 402 00:18:51,110 --> 00:18:47,910 people isn't he he's not a so what you 403 00:18:52,250 --> 00:18:51,120 expect the tools and the meters and 404 00:18:54,590 --> 00:18:52,260 things you use well what's your opinion 405 00:18:57,530 --> 00:18:54,600 on most of them like the k2 meter 406 00:19:01,310 --> 00:18:57,540 everything okay - meter I mean they were 407 00:19:03,650 --> 00:19:01,320 you know you might not know what it is 408 00:19:07,220 --> 00:19:03,660 that you're dealing with but you think 409 00:19:10,460 --> 00:19:07,230 in the atmosphere around you any one 410 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:10,470 time when there's no earthly reason far 411 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:14,690 a spike of electrical charge to be there 412 00:19:20,630 --> 00:19:16,650 unless there's something that we don't 413 00:19:23,570 --> 00:19:20,640 understand in physics where you know the 414 00:19:29,390 --> 00:19:23,580 there's kind of clashes and energy 415 00:19:32,780 --> 00:19:29,400 clashes or energy clashes ohms so I love 416 00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:32,790 the structured light sensor cameras that 417 00:19:41,810 --> 00:19:37,200 pick out the stick figures the rempods 418 00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:41,820 that go off I would love to have 26 of 419 00:19:47,870 --> 00:19:44,460 those because instead of using a Ouija 420 00:19:49,130 --> 00:19:47,880 board where people can cheat you know 421 00:19:53,300 --> 00:19:49,140 you could have one for each letter of 422 00:19:56,060 --> 00:19:53,310 the alphabet that's that's if they are 423 00:20:01,550 --> 00:19:56,070 obviously sort of fairly modern and can 424 00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:01,560 read an alternative of sort of of 425 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:05,520 pictures could be done for people who 426 00:20:09,890 --> 00:20:08,610 were illiterate because well in olden 427 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:09,900 days people just didn't learn how to 428 00:20:20,140 --> 00:20:13,250 read and write today so that was for the 429 00:20:22,850 --> 00:20:20,150 religious folk and royalty and etc so 430 00:20:25,790 --> 00:20:22,860 yep I do like the technology but I also 431 00:20:31,070 --> 00:20:25,800 really like the old-fashioned ways of 432 00:20:32,690 --> 00:20:31,080 doing things you know I don't like 433 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:32,700 tables if you know anything like that I 434 00:20:36,590 --> 00:20:34,890 don't really I don't really believe in 435 00:20:38,300 --> 00:20:36,600 not to be found it don't know about a 436 00:20:39,860 --> 00:20:38,310 couple of couple of experience with the 437 00:20:42,650 --> 00:20:39,870 table tipping I was actually blown away 438 00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:42,660 by it you filled it felt as if there was 439 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:43,200 a fork 440 00:20:46,399 --> 00:20:44,850 the table tipping the table because I 441 00:20:49,519 --> 00:20:46,409 took my hand off the table and it was 442 00:20:50,629 --> 00:20:49,529 coming from my side you know yeah kinda 443 00:20:52,879 --> 00:20:50,639 would say was nothing there 444 00:20:55,399 --> 00:20:52,889 it was quite weird actually because the 445 00:20:57,710 --> 00:20:55,409 table stepping away from me you know and 446 00:20:59,360 --> 00:20:57,720 you could actually I'll try pushing down 447 00:21:00,649 --> 00:20:59,370 on the table from my side and it felt 448 00:21:07,129 --> 00:21:00,659 like it was a force there it's not a 449 00:21:12,340 --> 00:21:07,139 springy force so and I'm just not 450 00:21:17,810 --> 00:21:16,190 with Ouija boards I mean normally people 451 00:21:19,460 --> 00:21:17,820 just say is anybody there and you're 452 00:21:25,159 --> 00:21:19,470 sort of saying yes and no and you don't 453 00:21:27,769 --> 00:21:25,169 really get anywhere with it it's really 454 00:21:29,899 --> 00:21:27,779 dangerous don't do that okay two meter 455 00:21:32,389 --> 00:21:29,909 out and it's exactly the same thing it's 456 00:21:33,769 --> 00:21:32,399 just a communication device so you know 457 00:21:35,779 --> 00:21:33,779 you go oh you don't know what you're 458 00:21:37,970 --> 00:21:35,789 doing you're opening and closing well do 459 00:21:40,190 --> 00:21:37,980 you open and close or the k2 meter or D 460 00:21:42,409 --> 00:21:40,200 just assuming in waving it around and 461 00:21:44,060 --> 00:21:42,419 waiting for some reaction you know it's 462 00:21:46,190 --> 00:21:44,070 more dangerous I guess or the k2 meter 463 00:21:47,930 --> 00:21:46,200 because at least with Rieger we've had 464 00:21:49,519 --> 00:21:47,940 all this fear pumped in to us and then 465 00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:49,529 we all know we've got to do it this way 466 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:52,110 you should do it that way with you know 467 00:21:56,450 --> 00:21:54,450 protective protecting yourselves with 468 00:21:59,180 --> 00:21:56,460 what ever piece of equipment that you've 469 00:22:02,779 --> 00:21:59,190 got and then you should star it in a box 470 00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:02,789 that has some sort of you know like a 471 00:22:08,990 --> 00:22:06,240 lot of salt in it for example or mirrors 472 00:22:10,399 --> 00:22:09,000 are wrapping in a black cloth put it in 473 00:22:12,730 --> 00:22:10,409 a wooden box like you would you tarot 474 00:22:16,639 --> 00:22:12,740 cards because all of these things 475 00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,649 exactly the same as we depart and but 476 00:22:19,970 --> 00:22:18,480 people don't look at them like that 477 00:22:22,190 --> 00:22:19,980 and so they don't think that they need 478 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:22,200 to prep but protect themselves and then 479 00:22:25,730 --> 00:22:23,850 you've got other people who say I don't 480 00:22:28,639 --> 00:22:25,740 want to protect myself because I want to 481 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:28,649 feel what what's going on you know and 482 00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:30,450 then you have a danger of attachments 483 00:22:34,159 --> 00:22:31,919 things following you home for a while 484 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:34,169 you know in your life and you're not 485 00:22:38,210 --> 00:22:36,690 being destroyed or your relationships 486 00:22:39,919 --> 00:22:38,220 are you know because when you're living 487 00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:39,929 with something like that it puts a 488 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:41,840 pressure on all of you because it 489 00:22:46,039 --> 00:22:44,610 literally wears you down because it's 490 00:22:48,529 --> 00:22:46,049 taking out your energy and it's 491 00:22:50,029 --> 00:22:48,539 manipulating in arguments and things 492 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:50,039 like that so these things can totally 493 00:22:53,450 --> 00:22:51,809 destroy your life so I think there's a 494 00:22:55,789 --> 00:22:53,460 lot of negligence in the paranormal 495 00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:55,799 investigator investigation but people 496 00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,120 who are trying to 497 00:23:01,640 --> 00:22:59,520 find out if something exists not the 498 00:23:03,140 --> 00:23:01,650 same types of people who know it exists 499 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:03,150 and they're going to try and do 500 00:23:07,790 --> 00:23:05,130 something about a situation in 501 00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:07,800 somebody's house for example or you know 502 00:23:11,420 --> 00:23:09,900 whatever the situation might be you're 503 00:23:13,490 --> 00:23:11,430 not going into somebody's house and 504 00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:13,500 going is there any with that come on 505 00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:20,910 it's halfway like you know like so you 506 00:23:23,330 --> 00:23:22,110 don't do that kind of thing in 507 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:23,340 somebody's house because that's just 508 00:23:30,049 --> 00:23:27,210 totally de yeah you know but that's the 509 00:23:31,820 --> 00:23:30,059 nature of it and I think I learned the 510 00:23:34,220 --> 00:23:31,830 hard way because I was one of those 511 00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:34,230 people as well let's just start no I've 512 00:23:37,790 --> 00:23:35,820 got my family there I'll protected me 513 00:23:40,610 --> 00:23:37,800 I'm protected by spirit because I just 514 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:40,620 am because I just decided that I was you 515 00:23:45,980 --> 00:23:43,890 know like an idiot and now it's like I 516 00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,990 lived in the house that was haunted and 517 00:23:49,460 --> 00:23:47,520 we were there for three years and it 518 00:23:51,620 --> 00:23:49,470 affected all of us and we were all in a 519 00:23:53,210 --> 00:23:51,630 state of oppression and everything that 520 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:53,220 could go wrong in my life or was going 521 00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:55,170 wrong in my life and it was all because 522 00:23:59,120 --> 00:23:56,880 somebody had been doing weed you in that 523 00:24:01,160 --> 00:23:59,130 house without any opening and closing 524 00:24:03,770 --> 00:24:01,170 and doing it when they were drunk you 525 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:03,780 know whatever just dangerous practice 526 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:06,410 it's a little dead boy running around 527 00:24:14,030 --> 00:24:11,370 and some awful awful dark dark dark they 528 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:14,040 even know what but you could feel it you 529 00:24:18,980 --> 00:24:16,650 know and all the kids were affected by 530 00:24:22,340 --> 00:24:18,990 it and in the end we are run away you 531 00:24:24,919 --> 00:24:22,350 know I had taken part in the documentary 532 00:24:26,030 --> 00:24:24,929 for the BBC about 7-7 because it 533 00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:26,040 happened on my doorstep 534 00:24:31,700 --> 00:24:30,000 literally and then harassment from the 535 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:31,710 police because it was like oh you know 536 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:34,410 they didn't say it was say Sascha you 537 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:36,690 could be staring the horlicks no steer 538 00:24:40,910 --> 00:24:38,850 stop it I'd have gone oh I didn't even 539 00:24:42,350 --> 00:24:40,920 think to that I was just bad about the 540 00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:42,360 lies being told about the people that I 541 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:47,760 knew and then it was also haunted and my 542 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:49,410 daughter was in trouble at school all 543 00:24:54,290 --> 00:24:52,710 the time and it was like I mean my son 544 00:24:56,180 --> 00:24:54,300 was in hospital all the time with all 545 00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:56,190 these body infections he just could not 546 00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:58,250 get rid of them and he was having 547 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:00,480 conversations with something that we 548 00:25:04,820 --> 00:25:01,890 couldn't see and he was too scared to 549 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:04,830 tell us about and then eight now oh it 550 00:25:09,380 --> 00:25:06,410 was just one thing after another I know 551 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:09,390 so in the end Dave just said moves 552 00:25:22,290 --> 00:25:20,410 you have experience with dolls as well 553 00:25:29,470 --> 00:25:22,300 did you know you click those in your day 554 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:29,480 and everything and what it was was I 555 00:25:34,570 --> 00:25:32,090 liked because I'm I'm disabled I don't I 556 00:25:37,780 --> 00:25:34,580 can't walk very far so don't go out a 557 00:25:43,420 --> 00:25:37,790 lot because you know it kind of oh it 558 00:25:45,370 --> 00:25:43,430 hurts so my life is online but my home 559 00:25:49,150 --> 00:25:45,380 life as well my social life is online 560 00:25:50,740 --> 00:25:49,160 just say I get bored so I have to have 561 00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:50,750 lots of hobbies you know and things to 562 00:25:57,370 --> 00:25:54,640 do and it was I don't know I remember 563 00:25:59,770 --> 00:25:57,380 probably July or something like that and 564 00:26:01,660 --> 00:25:59,780 I thought oh I know what I'm gonna do 565 00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:01,670 I'm gonna have a look in the charity 566 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:04,910 shops see if I can find one of those 567 00:26:08,290 --> 00:26:06,650 past alone dolls and then I'm gonna do 568 00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:08,300 it oops make it look spooky for 569 00:26:13,570 --> 00:26:09,710 Halloween 570 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:13,580 and so one day I was up in the village 571 00:26:20,530 --> 00:26:18,650 and I walk past the charity shop and I 572 00:26:22,110 --> 00:26:20,540 thought oh my god have a look in that 573 00:26:25,450 --> 00:26:22,120 and as soon as I walk through the door 574 00:26:27,310 --> 00:26:25,460 there she was on top of the shelf so 575 00:26:31,540 --> 00:26:27,320 it's as if you knew it was there that 576 00:26:34,510 --> 00:26:31,550 you would go in it you know I just felt 577 00:26:36,250 --> 00:26:34,520 this look at my and then as soon as what 578 00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:36,260 that she was just there on the shelf and 579 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:38,510 I thought ah I want it's to get one of 580 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:41,690 them want to decorate are perfect 581 00:26:46,660 --> 00:26:43,490 because it wasn't she was look too big 582 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:46,670 she was maybe 12 you were drawn to it 583 00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:50,810 maybe entering your head and you know 584 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:54,110 he's been in that shop once before a few 585 00:26:58,330 --> 00:26:55,970 months before I don't know if that doll 586 00:27:04,090 --> 00:26:58,340 was there then like said about very 587 00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:04,100 often so you know and so god I grabbed 588 00:27:06,730 --> 00:27:05,360 it I was out in and out of the shop 589 00:27:08,260 --> 00:27:06,740 within like 2 or 3 minutes 590 00:27:16,110 --> 00:27:08,270 you didn't Dickie by the way you're like 591 00:27:20,730 --> 00:27:16,120 yeah an offer went with it in my bag and 592 00:27:23,770 --> 00:27:20,740 you know got a taxi home and then I 593 00:27:24,910 --> 00:27:23,780 showed my daughter Daisy and I went look 594 00:27:27,220 --> 00:27:24,920 I've got rent 595 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:27,230 that mean dial out of his house and now 596 00:27:32,590 --> 00:27:30,170 and I went ridiculous it's just a doll 597 00:27:35,010 --> 00:27:32,600 it's like was she's watched paranormal 598 00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:35,020 witness with me and lost you know I mean 599 00:27:41,050 --> 00:27:38,480 anyway but night I I thought right I 600 00:27:42,820 --> 00:27:41,060 love a looker so I took a boots off and 601 00:27:45,070 --> 00:27:42,830 the socks was stuck on you know light 602 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:45,080 with years of sweaty breathing or 603 00:27:51,340 --> 00:27:47,450 whatever right now they pulled him off 604 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:51,350 peel them off like and then also on the 605 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:53,690 bottom of him there was a pentacle and 606 00:28:01,330 --> 00:27:56,330 not a pentacle pentagram drawn on the 607 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:01,340 bottom on each for Sasha trust you for 608 00:28:04,990 --> 00:28:02,810 God's sake you can't buy anything and 609 00:28:07,270 --> 00:28:05,000 just hit me normal you know I know it 610 00:28:08,890 --> 00:28:07,280 was like laughing and thinking I thought 611 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:08,900 ask somebody's just Dubner you know like 612 00:28:12,850 --> 00:28:10,250 it's a joke before other career in the 613 00:28:18,210 --> 00:28:12,860 charity shop then I thought no them 614 00:28:22,450 --> 00:28:20,350 they'll be more visible wouldn't it so 615 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:22,460 you'd see being easy it's easier to get 616 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:24,770 the socks off if someone just taken them 617 00:28:30,370 --> 00:28:26,570 off and put them back on they were 618 00:28:33,730 --> 00:28:30,380 literally it stuck to the past alone so 619 00:28:37,150 --> 00:28:33,740 um so I shot Daisy again and I was like 620 00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:37,160 the Daisy look she was like oh my god 621 00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:44,920 alright that is a bit weird I will 622 00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:47,360 probably I don't honestly think anything 623 00:28:54,970 --> 00:28:50,000 you know I've protected the house like 624 00:28:57,790 --> 00:28:54,980 I've got it's like a fortress so you 625 00:29:02,470 --> 00:28:57,800 know like a put or a my little altar my 626 00:29:04,390 --> 00:29:02,480 thing of destiny and then I'm not sure 627 00:29:06,910 --> 00:29:04,400 how long it was it was a little while a 628 00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:06,920 couple of days maybe and then there was 629 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:09,200 I came downstairs and there were six 630 00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:11,450 flies on the front door and there were 631 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:13,910 bright green like really really really 632 00:29:19,810 --> 00:29:16,010 shiny bright green and they were very 633 00:29:21,940 --> 00:29:19,820 docile and I just picked them up and 634 00:29:26,350 --> 00:29:21,950 threw them out of the darn fire yeah you 635 00:29:28,270 --> 00:29:26,360 know and then I woke up one night I fell 636 00:29:29,620 --> 00:29:28,280 asleep on the sofa watching TV but a 637 00:29:31,870 --> 00:29:29,630 world cook because I could hear a noise 638 00:29:35,710 --> 00:29:31,880 and it I've got on my fireplace old 639 00:29:37,570 --> 00:29:35,720 candles etc and then the flame on the 640 00:29:38,740 --> 00:29:37,580 left candle which is in the corner that 641 00:29:40,540 --> 00:29:38,750 furthest away from 642 00:29:43,390 --> 00:29:40,550 Oh our window which wasn't even open 643 00:29:45,490 --> 00:29:43,400 anyway and it was blowing like somebody 644 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:45,500 had a hair dryer on it and the flame was 645 00:29:50,340 --> 00:29:48,170 like a good couple of inches wide and 646 00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:50,350 flapping it was making a noise like oh 647 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:52,880 you know like blowing on it and it was 648 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:54,770 you know the way that I can tell can of 649 00:30:00,220 --> 00:29:58,130 splitters and how can I write woke up I 650 00:30:03,070 --> 00:30:00,230 thought oh bloody ell and I stood up and 651 00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:03,080 blew the candles out obviously gonna go 652 00:30:08,140 --> 00:30:06,320 to bed then the next day six Y's on the 653 00:30:10,090 --> 00:30:08,150 DAR and the next day six lies on the 654 00:30:12,010 --> 00:30:10,100 dole and the next six lies in the dark 655 00:30:14,050 --> 00:30:12,020 and I felt all this I kept filming it 656 00:30:16,420 --> 00:30:14,060 and I was like going okay a there guy 657 00:30:17,050 --> 00:30:16,430 won't see people exactly six nothing's 658 00:30:19,690 --> 00:30:17,060 more the cones 659 00:30:22,510 --> 00:30:19,700 oh yeah it wasn't 360 so it wasn't just 660 00:30:25,390 --> 00:30:22,520 like 666 it was like five I think so 661 00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:25,400 five days of it and I'll just drop that 662 00:30:30,340 --> 00:30:27,110 doll I put in the carrier bag through a 663 00:30:32,020 --> 00:30:30,350 large assault on him just chucked all 664 00:30:34,180 --> 00:30:32,030 the boats clothes everything even have 665 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:34,190 anything on I get and it anymore and 666 00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:36,130 then I wrapped it up and I've got these 667 00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:38,720 sealed containers out in the garden so I 668 00:30:42,430 --> 00:30:40,640 put it in there so then my daughter's 669 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:42,440 she's saying oh I had a dream and she 670 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:44,450 should be a few it sounds there was a 671 00:30:47,950 --> 00:30:46,250 young girl would I care outside in the 672 00:30:52,540 --> 00:30:47,960 garden screaming out through the kitchen 673 00:30:53,740 --> 00:30:52,550 window yeah so I was like oh my god I 674 00:30:57,580 --> 00:30:53,750 don't not to do with this I thought 675 00:30:59,620 --> 00:30:57,590 right okay this is fate this is you know 676 00:31:01,600 --> 00:30:59,630 there's a few magical groups I was 677 00:31:02,980 --> 00:31:01,610 talking about that and like all guys I 678 00:31:04,780 --> 00:31:02,990 love it I want it and I thought now 679 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:04,790 there's no way I'm in the tortured soul 680 00:31:08,740 --> 00:31:06,650 if there's anything attached so they 681 00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:08,750 somewhat giving it to anybody that I 682 00:31:14,530 --> 00:31:11,840 don't know in the you know in the 683 00:31:16,150 --> 00:31:14,540 magical communities because you just 684 00:31:19,390 --> 00:31:16,160 don't know what they're gonna do and 685 00:31:20,830 --> 00:31:19,400 they're not all good so well and I just 686 00:31:23,380 --> 00:31:20,840 thought I don't know what to do with 687 00:31:27,250 --> 00:31:23,390 this without right I'm gonna put on eBay 688 00:31:30,130 --> 00:31:27,260 there's like hundreds of pompey dolls on 689 00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,140 eBay right I'll ask him ridiculous money 690 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:33,200 and I just put it up like 99 P or 691 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:36,650 whatever it was the starting bid and I 692 00:31:42,670 --> 00:31:39,410 thought this is one of them situations 693 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:42,680 where something's going on that's out of 694 00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,170 my control 695 00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:47,120 because I don't want anything like that 696 00:31:52,539 --> 00:31:50,510 in my house I have put walls up outside 697 00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:52,549 my house you won't believe 698 00:31:56,289 --> 00:31:54,559 the substances that I've got to get from 699 00:31:57,849 --> 00:31:56,299 new Arlene's and things like that you 700 00:31:59,649 --> 00:31:57,859 know it's a really kind of like 701 00:32:02,199 --> 00:31:59,659 strengthen it because a house full of 702 00:32:03,879 --> 00:32:02,209 like sensitives we're not all psychics 703 00:32:08,769 --> 00:32:03,889 and psychic mediums are anything like 704 00:32:10,570 --> 00:32:08,779 that we just attract it and you know and 705 00:32:12,219 --> 00:32:10,580 Larry I have something in the house it's 706 00:32:13,719 --> 00:32:12,229 like no I've lived like this before I'm 707 00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,729 not doing this not going on again you 708 00:32:18,719 --> 00:32:15,440 can get stuff you can get the stuff out 709 00:32:21,459 --> 00:32:18,729 of my house now that's it boom over and 710 00:32:26,379 --> 00:32:21,469 up so put on eBay it went for about 711 00:32:34,479 --> 00:32:26,389 thirty quid and it cost me about fifteen 712 00:32:38,469 --> 00:32:34,489 quid to sentence where this Dali's is 713 00:32:40,810 --> 00:32:38,479 going somewhere and a friend on Facebook 714 00:32:43,209 --> 00:32:40,820 said my friend wants to buy it what do 715 00:32:45,310 --> 00:32:43,219 you want for it I said oh well I don't 716 00:32:49,629 --> 00:32:45,320 know I'm just leaving it to think it's 717 00:32:51,249 --> 00:32:49,639 on eBay but I go put with him and so I 718 00:32:53,289 --> 00:32:51,259 put a bit in and it went for thirty quid 719 00:32:56,259 --> 00:32:53,299 and it went to this guy who's got say it 720 00:32:57,099 --> 00:32:56,269 also 30 pounds a 30 quid it does and 721 00:33:00,339 --> 00:32:57,109 thirty pounds 722 00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:00,349 I thought that was for me so he's got 723 00:33:06,879 --> 00:33:02,769 all the girls and it keeps them in this 724 00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:06,889 museum and they're all kind of got their 725 00:33:09,849 --> 00:33:08,329 own little ways and they all need 726 00:33:17,619 --> 00:33:09,859 certain things and they all get what 727 00:33:25,299 --> 00:33:17,629 they need top of thing does he haunted 728 00:33:27,369 --> 00:33:25,309 dolls yeah and then you know I suppose 729 00:33:28,539 --> 00:33:27,379 if these attachments want to leave then 730 00:33:30,999 --> 00:33:28,549 they leave and if they don't they don't 731 00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:31,009 after but I fail like because he was in 732 00:33:37,690 --> 00:33:35,329 my he was actually in my orbit was this 733 00:33:41,949 --> 00:33:37,700 guy anyway through somebody that I 734 00:33:43,930 --> 00:33:41,959 talked to quite a bit and I said to him 735 00:33:50,409 --> 00:33:43,940 and I said I think she who's me like a 736 00:33:52,479 --> 00:33:50,419 five-dollar hard to get to you because I 737 00:33:54,669 --> 00:33:52,489 do believe that there is something going 738 00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:54,679 on around all of us it's perispirit a 739 00:33:58,749 --> 00:33:57,200 concern to our family and friends etc on 740 00:34:01,479 --> 00:33:58,759 the other side that the tries to do the 741 00:34:04,989 --> 00:34:01,489 best to guide is and engineer situations 742 00:34:06,190 --> 00:34:04,999 far as and I know through various 743 00:34:08,860 --> 00:34:06,200 psychics that I've met 744 00:34:11,710 --> 00:34:08,870 known are seen they all say the same 745 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:11,720 thing that there's a sod there's a sort 746 00:34:15,670 --> 00:34:13,850 of protection around with me there's 747 00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:15,680 something to do with the sod all of us a 748 00:34:21,820 --> 00:34:18,560 it and today I'll say it represents the 749 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:21,830 fact that you are protected and one that 750 00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,810 he used to go see that told me 751 00:34:29,050 --> 00:34:25,520 everything about my life that I'm doing 752 00:34:30,490 --> 00:34:29,060 now she said you are protected and you 753 00:34:33,580 --> 00:34:30,500 work for the dead she says oh you know 754 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:33,590 you are even know it but you do and I've 755 00:34:38,650 --> 00:34:35,410 wondered throughout this investigation 756 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:38,660 that I've been doing and you've been 757 00:34:44,380 --> 00:34:41,690 helping with if that's what she means 758 00:34:48,700 --> 00:34:44,390 because there's a person that we know 759 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:48,710 that has been you know using names of 760 00:34:55,870 --> 00:34:51,770 dead celebrities to generate money for 761 00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:55,880 themselves and Ronnie Dugdale the other 762 00:35:00,400 --> 00:34:58,400 way I said do you think that they're all 763 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:00,410 involved in this asset do you think that 764 00:35:04,420 --> 00:35:01,970 they're all pushing for this as well 765 00:35:06,340 --> 00:35:04,430 because the way that things have come to 766 00:35:10,060 --> 00:35:06,350 us has been it's been really ugly and 767 00:35:12,730 --> 00:35:10,070 hard all of the evidence has been like 768 00:35:14,590 --> 00:35:12,740 thrown out as pretty much you've had to 769 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:14,600 be shown together it really hello mean 770 00:35:18,070 --> 00:35:16,370 yeah but the evidence part of it if it 771 00:35:20,670 --> 00:35:18,080 wasn't for the attacks it would have 772 00:35:24,130 --> 00:35:20,680 been easy it would have been snow easy 773 00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:24,140 and I think it just seems that the way 774 00:35:28,450 --> 00:35:26,000 that things have unfolded and I look 775 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:28,460 back and I think nice so weird it came 776 00:35:33,310 --> 00:35:30,290 about like that and the timing of things 777 00:35:35,260 --> 00:35:33,320 you know something happens or I'm about 778 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:35,270 to do something and something happens 779 00:35:39,940 --> 00:35:38,210 just before which totally boosts what 780 00:35:42,850 --> 00:35:39,950 I'm just about to do I'll put out 781 00:35:46,690 --> 00:35:42,860 so I've begun to think this has got a 782 00:35:49,540 --> 00:35:46,700 life of its own on the outside of me you 783 00:35:51,310 --> 00:35:49,550 know that's not just do with anything to 784 00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:51,320 do with anyone in the community but 785 00:35:57,010 --> 00:35:55,520 maybe in the community on the other side 786 00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:57,020 because there's so many people dead 787 00:36:03,790 --> 00:35:59,680 people that are being used and abused 788 00:36:06,010 --> 00:36:03,800 from your name Fame yeah I I was one of 789 00:36:08,140 --> 00:36:06,020 them I would be really an angry and I'd 790 00:36:10,510 --> 00:36:08,150 be saying what is this guy doing know 791 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:10,520 what i'ma do whatever I can to stop this 792 00:36:16,270 --> 00:36:12,410 and then you know it just feels that 793 00:36:17,890 --> 00:36:16,280 that's how it's been well I I it's not 794 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:17,900 that I've decided to believe in the 795 00:36:21,740 --> 00:36:19,930 afterlife is like about you 796 00:36:26,250 --> 00:36:21,750 been that many things that have happened 797 00:36:30,990 --> 00:36:26,260 like a cat I can't not anymore it's like 798 00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:31,000 it's almost as if I say if I said I'm 799 00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:33,910 not sure all of those people that I have 800 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:36,070 known we'll all be screaming at me and 801 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:38,290 laughing at me like right in front of 802 00:36:47,340 --> 00:36:44,650 you I mean I felt quite alone a lot of 803 00:36:49,230 --> 00:36:47,350 times because oh you know at one point I 804 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:49,240 was solving on the other side if you 805 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:53,170 like but I don't you don't think you 806 00:36:58,110 --> 00:36:54,850 understand now that I was looking for 807 00:37:00,570 --> 00:36:58,120 the truth in the house story the wrong 808 00:37:04,860 --> 00:37:00,580 side for the number of years as you did 809 00:37:07,740 --> 00:37:04,870 as well there's been a whole lot of us 810 00:37:11,340 --> 00:37:07,750 have done the same thing but um and you 811 00:37:13,710 --> 00:37:11,350 do get caught up in attacked you in such 812 00:37:15,660 --> 00:37:13,720 a way but I know I was you do sort of 813 00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:15,670 make messages of support and things for 814 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:18,160 the other party you think you're doing 815 00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:21,370 the right thing because you're because 816 00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:22,960 you're relying on those lies that you've 817 00:37:27,210 --> 00:37:24,960 been told from the other side you know 818 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:27,220 it's only when you come to realize those 819 00:37:33,630 --> 00:37:31,570 lies for yourself you know which is what 820 00:37:35,850 --> 00:37:33,640 happened with me yeah well I thought you 821 00:37:37,260 --> 00:37:35,860 were being disingenuous and hoppin 822 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:37,270 around people and I was like what are 823 00:37:41,460 --> 00:37:39,490 you up to David you know and you were 824 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:41,470 actually doing what everybody should 825 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:43,450 have done and then talk to everybody and 826 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:46,210 and then when you realize what's going 827 00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:48,810 on like you didn't like many other 828 00:37:53,130 --> 00:37:51,520 clear-thinking people did they looked at 829 00:37:54,420 --> 00:37:53,140 the everything they now evil me at 830 00:37:56,610 --> 00:37:54,430 whiffs we've seen evidence of it now 831 00:37:58,530 --> 00:37:56,620 even still I think what we ought to do 832 00:37:59,730 --> 00:37:58,540 session is actually clarify for anyone 833 00:38:03,080 --> 00:37:59,740 that doesn't know too much about the 834 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:03,090 Rendlesham burn under the RFI incident 835 00:38:09,930 --> 00:38:06,130 just go through a lot of the or some of 836 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:09,940 the details that are known and so people 837 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:12,010 know what we're talking about it was 838 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:15,010 under 26 kick it off and then you can 839 00:38:24,450 --> 00:38:21,610 know most of it it's under 26 of 840 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:24,460 December 1980 and it was a boxing day in 841 00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:26,170 the early hours of the 26th of December 842 00:38:30,570 --> 00:38:28,150 strange lights are seen coming for a 843 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:30,580 renders from forest by an airman first 844 00:38:33,809 --> 00:38:32,890 class named John Burroughs is law 845 00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:33,819 enforcement 846 00:38:38,459 --> 00:38:35,920 burro's have been controlling patrol in 847 00:38:39,809 --> 00:38:38,469 the Woodbridge well sorry patrolling 848 00:38:41,939 --> 00:38:39,819 Woodbridge and was close to the east 849 00:38:44,370 --> 00:38:41,949 gate sometimes known as the back gate 850 00:38:46,769 --> 00:38:44,380 the lights were juist from that location 851 00:38:49,019 --> 00:38:46,779 and lights were red and blue at the red 852 00:38:51,479 --> 00:38:49,029 light above the blue flashing on and off 853 00:38:53,579 --> 00:38:51,489 Burroughs alerted his supervisor staff 854 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:53,589 sergeant but stiffens and both men 855 00:38:59,969 --> 00:38:56,890 watched in amazement Burroughs had been 856 00:39:01,559 --> 00:38:59,979 stationed there for around 17 months his 857 00:39:03,539 --> 00:39:01,569 first four thoughts were of a downed 858 00:39:06,209 --> 00:39:03,549 aircraft but not one of the eight ins 859 00:39:09,289 --> 00:39:06,219 has now we're flying security at the 860 00:39:11,519 --> 00:39:09,299 base for being a major issue that's on 861 00:39:13,049 --> 00:39:11,529 Burroughs the Stephan's a lot the 862 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:13,059 combination a lot of the east gate and 863 00:39:16,949 --> 00:39:14,650 they drove a couple of hundred yards or 864 00:39:18,779 --> 00:39:16,959 so down the public road then they turned 865 00:39:20,579 --> 00:39:18,789 right and draw the further ten or twenty 866 00:39:23,219 --> 00:39:20,589 yards before reaching a left toe where a 867 00:39:26,189 --> 00:39:23,229 small tract led into the forest at this 868 00:39:28,109 --> 00:39:26,199 point a white light was visible as well 869 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:28,119 as the red and blue lights the white 870 00:39:32,339 --> 00:39:29,890 light was particularly old and seen 871 00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:32,349 coming towards them believing this could 872 00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:35,529 be a major security breach they decided 873 00:39:39,089 --> 00:39:36,910 to head back to the east gate and call 874 00:39:41,759 --> 00:39:39,099 the incident in using the landline in 875 00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,769 the back check in the gold check s their 876 00:39:46,499 --> 00:39:43,599 pocket radios were known to be insecure 877 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:46,509 and susceptible to scanners burrows 878 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:48,729 boats at a law enforcement duty desk 879 00:39:52,859 --> 00:39:51,130 sergeant sergeant crash McCabe and 880 00:39:55,769 --> 00:39:52,869 explained what was happening 881 00:39:57,870 --> 00:39:55,779 Stephan's confirmed what staff sergeant 882 00:39:58,519 --> 00:39:57,880 burrows was saying no sorry burrows were 883 00:40:01,259 --> 00:39:58,529 saying 884 00:40:03,299 --> 00:40:01,269 McCabe suspected a downed aircraft also 885 00:40:06,209 --> 00:40:03,309 and passed a problem on to Staff 886 00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:06,219 Sergeant John coffee coffee then called 887 00:40:12,660 --> 00:40:09,609 on duty their flight chief at RAF 888 00:40:16,229 --> 00:40:12,670 Woodbridge was named Staff Sergeant Jim 889 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:16,239 Penniston or James Penniston Pesta 890 00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:17,650 wasn't briefed about walks hitting him 891 00:40:22,729 --> 00:40:19,209 but was told to proceed with his rider 892 00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:22,739 in my first class it would in Capon sake 893 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:24,880 driving to the east gate with blue 894 00:40:29,189 --> 00:40:26,650 lights flashing to rendezvoused with the 895 00:40:31,529 --> 00:40:29,199 police for and police five the costars 896 00:40:34,499 --> 00:40:31,539 for burrows the Stephan's don't be able 897 00:40:37,309 --> 00:40:34,509 to take you over from there Sascha with 898 00:40:40,170 --> 00:40:37,319 Arkansas didn't eject here and there and 899 00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:40,180 off to investigate these lights in the 900 00:40:43,739 --> 00:40:41,440 forest yeah 901 00:40:45,989 --> 00:40:43,749 and they set up a little relay so 902 00:40:47,370 --> 00:40:45,999 there's Kevin sack that their Jeep and 903 00:40:50,249 --> 00:40:47,380 there's John in between 904 00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:50,259 and there's Jim who's headed up from an 905 00:40:58,380 --> 00:40:53,680 ease come across a delta wing shape can 906 00:41:02,690 --> 00:40:58,390 a pyramidal object that was dense made 907 00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:02,700 of a dense black material but polite 908 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:05,200 underneath it it looked like it was a 909 00:41:08,430 --> 00:41:05,890 bomb 910 00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:08,440 well it was looks like it was above the 911 00:41:12,450 --> 00:41:10,089 ground but then it turns out that there 912 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:12,460 were some markings in the ground which 913 00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:14,890 is just say it was actually stood on 914 00:41:22,259 --> 00:41:20,529 some sort of leg legs three of them was 915 00:41:25,799 --> 00:41:22,269 put back by remark from Stephan's he 916 00:41:27,660 --> 00:41:25,809 said it didn't crash it ended yeah so 917 00:41:29,779 --> 00:41:27,670 maybe London max we could call them and 918 00:41:33,089 --> 00:41:29,789 there were indentations in the soil so 919 00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:33,099 and and it wasn't the entire shape of 920 00:41:37,019 --> 00:41:34,480 the objects it was just three in the 921 00:41:40,799 --> 00:41:37,029 small indentations so it's not suggest 922 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:40,809 that it had legs or some kind of you 923 00:41:46,759 --> 00:41:42,970 know thing to lift it off the ground and 924 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:46,769 it had markings on the side of it which 925 00:41:52,170 --> 00:41:48,730 people described as being like 926 00:41:56,569 --> 00:41:52,180 hieroglyphics and they were etched into 927 00:41:58,650 --> 00:41:56,579 the material that it was made from which 928 00:42:00,269 --> 00:41:58,660 kind of makes me think it was made from 929 00:42:03,089 --> 00:42:00,279 black cobalt glass because that can 930 00:42:04,499 --> 00:42:03,099 actually retain I am just astrology has 931 00:42:06,749 --> 00:42:04,509 been like a card glass-like material 932 00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:06,759 yeah yeah and it's the only substance 933 00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:09,640 that doesn't discharge ion so you you 934 00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:12,160 know you can build a pyramid just the 935 00:42:17,130 --> 00:42:14,710 ions will stack and eventually there 936 00:42:20,430 --> 00:42:17,140 will be enough collected for these 937 00:42:22,829 --> 00:42:20,440 objects to actually be able to lift off 938 00:42:24,990 --> 00:42:22,839 the ground and take off I don't know how 939 00:42:27,630 --> 00:42:25,000 far out faster whatever but they would 940 00:42:33,269 --> 00:42:27,640 be able to gain some sort of lift and be 941 00:42:34,799 --> 00:42:33,279 maneuverable at least you know short 942 00:42:37,799 --> 00:42:34,809 distance from the ground 943 00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:37,809 that's just speculative the best is 944 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:39,910 based on you know some sort of physics 945 00:42:47,999 --> 00:42:44,880 speed 946 00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:48,009 impossible didn't he yeah ties up with 947 00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:51,569 what you just said remembered 948 00:42:56,970 --> 00:42:54,910 unfortunately they were all probably 949 00:43:00,660 --> 00:42:56,980 drugged and mastered the memories masked 950 00:43:02,789 --> 00:43:00,670 with so we don't you know I don't think 951 00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:02,799 can be quite sure about her speed of 952 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:04,510 taking off for whatever that could just 953 00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:08,890 be a a false memory and that's being 954 00:43:14,430 --> 00:43:11,920 speculated before I'm not you know I but 955 00:43:16,620 --> 00:43:14,440 I actually believe everything about Jim 956 00:43:20,940 --> 00:43:16,630 story until we get to the binary which I 957 00:43:25,620 --> 00:43:20,950 very trouble digesting but everything 958 00:43:28,859 --> 00:43:25,630 about that part of it when he's stood 959 00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,869 there and drawing me the glyphs that are 960 00:43:33,539 --> 00:43:30,400 on the side of it if you look at his 961 00:43:35,370 --> 00:43:33,549 notebook you can see I'm like he was 962 00:43:37,230 --> 00:43:35,380 either terrified I totally pumped full 963 00:43:41,130 --> 00:43:37,240 of adrenaline probably both I would have 964 00:43:44,730 --> 00:43:41,140 been all I was so you know you can see 965 00:43:47,370 --> 00:43:44,740 that they the wobbles indicate his hands 966 00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:47,380 were shaking so you know I mean things 967 00:43:50,940 --> 00:43:49,569 like that just kind of length readers we 968 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:50,950 know this are some lights because they 969 00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:52,930 weren't the only people to see it John 970 00:43:59,579 --> 00:43:54,730 says they on Iran this our lights Jim 971 00:44:01,289 --> 00:43:59,589 says he saw the craft yeah so then you 972 00:44:04,940 --> 00:44:01,299 know deceive it takes off at high speed 973 00:44:07,650 --> 00:44:04,950 or whatever happens at that moment ends 974 00:44:09,450 --> 00:44:07,660 which the next person said they saw 975 00:44:10,740 --> 00:44:09,460 Burroughs engulfed in a huge beam of 976 00:44:13,470 --> 00:44:10,750 light which appear to be coming from 977 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:13,480 above an imp innocence or what first 978 00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:18,250 been a sphere of light in front of well 979 00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:19,599 I don't know where that came from 980 00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:24,880 it sees description somewhere it's not 981 00:44:31,890 --> 00:44:28,960 in these original statement in golf job 982 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:31,900 and no yeah I think that could be his 983 00:44:39,329 --> 00:44:37,450 hypnosis recollections like this is the 984 00:44:45,809 --> 00:44:39,339 problem is a hold of the RFI is that you 985 00:44:49,579 --> 00:44:45,819 get different renditions whenever you 986 00:44:51,859 --> 00:44:49,589 know that the testing are these kind of 987 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:51,869 mind-control techniques and 988 00:44:55,740 --> 00:44:54,490 super-soldier blah you know I don't 989 00:44:57,839 --> 00:44:55,750 believe I'll super soldiers on the 990 00:44:59,970 --> 00:44:57,849 internet but I do believe that their 991 00:45:03,059 --> 00:44:59,980 military would actually be trying to 992 00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:03,069 create some sort of you know like 993 00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,400 Robocop I mean there's a description 994 00:45:12,890 --> 00:45:08,079 also of them walking through like a 995 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:14,460 resistance from how much 996 00:45:18,450 --> 00:45:16,450 magnetic field that they were in John 997 00:45:20,609 --> 00:45:18,460 Vasquez describes that as well when he 998 00:45:22,380 --> 00:45:20,619 was involved at Fort Benning which was 999 00:45:26,099 --> 00:45:22,390 another incident that was very similar 1000 00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:26,109 but four years before and the only way 1001 00:45:30,810 --> 00:45:27,520 that they could get through this treacle 1002 00:45:32,609 --> 00:45:30,820 like wall was by lighting flares and of 1003 00:45:34,890 --> 00:45:32,619 course that kinetic energy disturbed 1004 00:45:37,010 --> 00:45:34,900 discharges the ions which was why they 1005 00:45:39,150 --> 00:45:37,020 could actually make movement forward 1006 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:39,160 because it would just clear a little 1007 00:45:43,859 --> 00:45:40,930 space and then they could push forward 1008 00:45:45,630 --> 00:45:43,869 and just keep blasting the ions and then 1009 00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:45,640 they said that he said that they were 1010 00:45:49,620 --> 00:45:47,920 sat down on the side of the road and 1011 00:45:52,010 --> 00:45:49,630 looking up and the sky was spinning and 1012 00:45:55,620 --> 00:45:52,020 that's another effect of electromagnetic 1013 00:45:59,580 --> 00:45:55,630 radiation as well in this scale away of 1014 00:46:03,510 --> 00:45:59,590 kind of stuff it's all very high-tech 1015 00:46:06,270 --> 00:46:03,520 and I you know I found some documents 1016 00:46:09,810 --> 00:46:06,280 online that that prove that the military 1017 00:46:13,710 --> 00:46:09,820 and the Department of nuclear Affairs 1018 00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:13,720 had commissioned some tests which got 1019 00:46:19,170 --> 00:46:15,910 got to be very kind of high-tech and a 1020 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:19,180 bit book Rodgers and there were people 1021 00:46:25,050 --> 00:46:21,250 like Jake are involved in it you know so 1022 00:46:27,060 --> 00:46:25,060 this really happened and I had in mind 1023 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:27,070 that that's what was happening at 1024 00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,810 Rendlesham it was in the right area is 1025 00:46:36,780 --> 00:46:30,400 in the right year it was the right kind 1026 00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,790 of situation but I wasn't where so you 1027 00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,800 know this is the problem isn't it it's 1028 00:46:45,810 --> 00:46:40,480 yeah we can only go by what the 1029 00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:45,820 witnesses experiences were it was some 1030 00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:48,070 kind of like really really sci-fi 1031 00:46:53,970 --> 00:46:51,520 high-tech test it was set up for them to 1032 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:53,980 believe that this was a real event this 1033 00:46:59,460 --> 00:46:57,010 was real you know it was you know these 1034 00:47:03,150 --> 00:46:59,470 realistic situations to assess enemy 1035 00:47:04,140 --> 00:47:03,160 response and officer attitude so you 1036 00:47:05,970 --> 00:47:04,150 know they wanted to know what people 1037 00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,980 would do in this particular kind of 1038 00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:07,599 situation so that is why they were 1039 00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:09,730 generating the situation is the early 1040 00:47:14,099 --> 00:47:11,710 situation that they were not happy or 1041 00:47:16,770 --> 00:47:14,109 protected or convinced that they were 1042 00:47:19,980 --> 00:47:16,780 protected would be an aerial attack say 1043 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:19,990 a group of helicopters coming in holding 1044 00:47:23,730 --> 00:47:22,089 the base hostage stealing some nuclear 1045 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:23,740 weapons and flying out again you know 1046 00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:25,330 that was one of the scenarios that they 1047 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:27,369 proposed that they were not prepared for 1048 00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:28,330 so 1049 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:30,310 it got a little bit wild because they 1050 00:47:34,770 --> 00:47:32,130 were using a lot of electromagnetic 1051 00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:34,780 weaponry and research and development 1052 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:37,200 was you know off he said at that side 1053 00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:40,210 but the Wild West really and it really 1054 00:47:44,220 --> 00:47:42,250 was because this is of looks into it and 1055 00:47:46,350 --> 00:47:44,230 this is what was going on but you know 1056 00:47:50,730 --> 00:47:46,360 and I I said I think that's what 1057 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:50,740 happened at Rendlesham so you know it 1058 00:47:54,810 --> 00:47:53,650 would appear to be all that but even you 1059 00:47:56,220 --> 00:47:54,820 know I'm not going to get into arguments 1060 00:47:58,110 --> 00:47:56,230 with people and watching they lived it 1061 00:48:02,400 --> 00:47:58,120 because it's just not my place so but 1062 00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:02,410 that his thoughts you know so then the 1063 00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:04,510 second night was an incident with a 1064 00:48:10,650 --> 00:48:06,310 lieutenant sampling it was a female 1065 00:48:13,350 --> 00:48:10,660 officer who was driving to the base I 1066 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:13,360 think she was going on duty and a blue 1067 00:48:18,780 --> 00:48:15,970 sphere of light entered her vehicle and 1068 00:48:21,650 --> 00:48:18,790 she completely freaked out and jumped 1069 00:48:25,470 --> 00:48:21,660 out the vehicle and was totally you know 1070 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:25,480 hysterically frightened and actually you 1071 00:48:29,010 --> 00:48:27,010 know she didn't she wasn't on duty that 1072 00:48:32,460 --> 00:48:29,020 night don't know anymore about nobody 1073 00:48:33,330 --> 00:48:32,470 really knows anything else and if they 1074 00:48:35,340 --> 00:48:33,340 do they're not putting it forward 1075 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:35,350 because you know I would she wants to be 1076 00:48:41,940 --> 00:48:37,810 part of this craziness anyway so the 1077 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:41,950 third night is when the phenomena 1078 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:44,890 returns and Colonel Hall is pulled from 1079 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:48,850 his the Proceedings of a Christmas party 1080 00:48:56,700 --> 00:48:52,450 it was a Woodbridge and he went back to 1081 00:48:59,400 --> 00:48:56,710 his wherever he lived got a tape 1082 00:49:02,430 --> 00:48:59,410 recorder got changed and went out with 1083 00:49:07,850 --> 00:49:02,440 Adrian boston's and other people so I 1084 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:07,860 think sergeant Swift and ball etc and 1085 00:49:11,460 --> 00:49:09,850 that's when they were following the 1086 00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:11,470 lights through the trees and he saw the 1087 00:49:17,790 --> 00:49:15,520 big red kind of blinking eye and you 1088 00:49:19,770 --> 00:49:17,800 know little white lights and red lights 1089 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:19,780 kind of moving through the trees and 1090 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:21,810 beams of light coming down from the sky 1091 00:49:28,050 --> 00:49:25,210 but all that stuff and that's where they 1092 00:49:30,570 --> 00:49:28,060 whole tape came into being because he 1093 00:49:32,460 --> 00:49:30,580 took his dictaphone with him recorded 1094 00:49:37,380 --> 00:49:32,470 himself talking well these this 1095 00:49:39,090 --> 00:49:37,390 phenomena was occurring so yep that's 1096 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:39,100 basically the Rendlesham forest 1097 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:42,010 incidents and do you believe that 1098 00:49:51,950 --> 00:49:44,170 when I spots Colonel hull and he'd said 1099 00:49:57,060 --> 00:49:54,599 you know he does think that that whole 1100 00:50:00,660 --> 00:49:57,070 area is a bit like the skinwalker ranch 1101 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:00,670 which because of all the other phenomena 1102 00:50:06,359 --> 00:50:04,210 that's been seen there as we've been 1103 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:06,369 talking about you know the other thing 1104 00:50:11,250 --> 00:50:09,010 that gets me is when the burrows and 1105 00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:11,260 Penniston they vote something like 45 1106 00:50:16,940 --> 00:50:12,790 minutes missing time I don't know if 1107 00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:16,950 that's actually I think that's Jim's 1108 00:50:26,910 --> 00:50:22,480 guess and john disagrees he's pretty 1109 00:50:30,180 --> 00:50:26,920 sure I read that he thinks it was only a 1110 00:50:31,290 --> 00:50:30,190 matter of minutes that was a long time 1111 00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,300 ago though that was when we were all 1112 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:33,280 talking to each other only land ocean 1113 00:50:38,370 --> 00:50:35,650 forest incident forum I'm pretty sure 1114 00:50:40,410 --> 00:50:38,380 there was a dispute with that so there's 1115 00:50:43,650 --> 00:50:40,420 little there's things you know but then 1116 00:50:49,970 --> 00:50:43,660 that could be by design as well when you 1117 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:53,280 you said some the Burroughs confirms 1118 00:50:57,420 --> 00:50:54,970 both the missing time and the exact 1119 00:50:59,220 --> 00:50:57,430 figure the defect is our watches were 1120 00:51:01,590 --> 00:50:59,230 behind and the shift commander said we 1121 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:01,600 were missing 45 minutes John burrows are 1122 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:02,770 supposed to have said day on the course 1123 00:51:16,530 --> 00:51:14,170 your way research that I've been doing 1124 00:51:18,270 --> 00:51:16,540 and not the research into the 1125 00:51:20,490 --> 00:51:18,280 technologies and weaponry and all that 1126 00:51:23,820 --> 00:51:20,500 kind of stuff into the research of a 1127 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:23,830 certain persons claims you know I'm 1128 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:29,290 having to defrag my brain and memory and 1129 00:51:33,780 --> 00:51:31,570 get to another layout of it all again 1130 00:51:35,609 --> 00:51:33,790 because the things that I thought that 1131 00:51:38,460 --> 00:51:35,619 happened all in one place on one night 1132 00:51:40,290 --> 00:51:38,470 actually did happen for the most part 1133 00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:40,300 but there were smaller events in 1134 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:42,640 different places to different people so 1135 00:51:47,730 --> 00:51:45,490 I've kind of got to get to know the 1136 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:47,740 Rendlesham forest incident properly for 1137 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:50,170 the first time ever because I believe 1138 00:51:54,750 --> 00:51:52,450 something that wasn't actually true so 1139 00:51:55,770 --> 00:51:54,760 it's you know it's an interesting 1140 00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:55,780 journey 1141 00:52:00,690 --> 00:51:58,450 yeah it's also a lot the second incident 1142 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:00,700 now I've read I think it was a nick 1143 00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:04,330 Pope's book he says there that's that 1144 00:52:08,490 --> 00:52:06,730 second incident happened on the same 1145 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:08,500 night as the first incident but a bit 1146 00:52:11,970 --> 00:52:09,330 later 1147 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:11,980 so this is where some confusion comes in 1148 00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:15,610 about the data thing on Miranda because 1149 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:17,440 I think the date was actually wrong they 1150 00:52:30,660 --> 00:52:21,370 put down on it is confirmed that yeah 1151 00:52:33,540 --> 00:52:30,670 what was it yeah I know I know it's just 1152 00:52:35,730 --> 00:52:33,550 a change he's overnight think you might 1153 00:52:37,620 --> 00:52:35,740 have actually what did he put there 1154 00:52:40,140 --> 00:52:37,630 under 27th I think it was or something 1155 00:52:41,940 --> 00:52:40,150 I can't remember the exact date was but 1156 00:52:44,010 --> 00:52:41,950 yeah there seems to be a bit of an 1157 00:52:46,170 --> 00:52:44,020 anomaly about that they the actual 1158 00:52:48,810 --> 00:52:46,180 happening where where a shift starts in 1159 00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:48,820 the in the side of 26 and goes into the 1160 00:52:57,810 --> 00:52:51,520 27th overnight it changes done at 1161 00:53:00,270 --> 00:52:57,820 midnight so yeah because it was all over 1162 00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:00,280 allegedly by the morning of the 28th 1163 00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:05,110 with us as 27th a night yeah which is 1164 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:06,730 obviously when this person said they 1165 00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:08,050 were on their way back from Germany so 1166 00:53:13,830 --> 00:53:12,400 they couldn't have been there yeah yeah 1167 00:53:18,570 --> 00:53:13,840 it's only it's all new to me 1168 00:53:21,690 --> 00:53:18,580 really because like her spot to ronnie 1169 00:53:23,610 --> 00:53:21,700 Dugdale on my own show recently and he 1170 00:53:26,510 --> 00:53:23,620 told me we're capable Green was and it's 1171 00:53:30,090 --> 00:53:26,520 not where it's not the farmers field and 1172 00:53:32,430 --> 00:53:30,100 you know that area has become known as 1173 00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:32,440 the capable Green now because of you 1174 00:53:39,570 --> 00:53:36,610 know the book left at Eastgate but in 1175 00:53:46,770 --> 00:53:39,580 actual fact it was not there it was a 1176 00:53:50,490 --> 00:53:46,780 small kind of mound yeah a different 1177 00:53:53,820 --> 00:53:50,500 side to it yeah so it's all it's all 1178 00:53:56,010 --> 00:53:53,830 confusing to me now that's of 1179 00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:56,020 discoloration that's in in the in the 1180 00:53:59,520 --> 00:53:57,760 farmer's field but she's the Condon up 1181 00:54:01,460 --> 00:53:59,530 in his capable green that discoloration 1182 00:54:05,550 --> 00:54:01,470 was there back in the 50s wasn't it so 1183 00:54:07,050 --> 00:54:05,560 yeah Ronnie sent me a photograph last 1184 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:07,060 year sometime 1185 00:54:12,420 --> 00:54:09,490 Ronnie Dugdale and it 1186 00:54:15,540 --> 00:54:12,430 outlines say the circle in the field and 1187 00:54:18,420 --> 00:54:15,550 the photograph was taken in 1957 mmm 1188 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:18,430 yeah so all these claims about a ship 1189 00:54:23,130 --> 00:54:21,130 landing something knows happened there 1190 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:23,140 and they Thunder stand up all y-you know 1191 00:54:27,390 --> 00:54:25,330 the the soil samples that Peter Robbins 1192 00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:27,400 said have come back as you know there's 1193 00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:30,880 been some extreme heat but then it was 1194 00:54:36,210 --> 00:54:33,760 you know an area where there was a lot 1195 00:54:38,460 --> 00:54:36,220 of activity where it could have been a 1196 00:54:41,090 --> 00:54:38,470 kiln or it could have been some sort of 1197 00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:41,100 ironworks our copper works or whatever 1198 00:54:46,290 --> 00:54:43,630 there are a lot of burrows around there 1199 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:46,300 and grave sites there's been a lot of 1200 00:54:51,780 --> 00:54:49,570 battles for Sutton Hoo and that's not 1201 00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:51,790 too far down the road is there and it's 1202 00:54:57,450 --> 00:54:53,890 it's absolutely rife with history and 1203 00:55:01,350 --> 00:54:57,460 there's always a life there and Martha 1204 00:55:04,340 --> 00:55:01,360 than it does now so it could have been 1205 00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:04,350 one of a number of things all 1206 00:55:10,170 --> 00:55:06,400 interesting archaeologically speaking 1207 00:55:12,420 --> 00:55:10,180 but nothing unfortunately nothing to do 1208 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:12,430 with that but you know what's 1209 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:14,050 interesting there David 1210 00:55:21,150 --> 00:55:16,930 he's one peter robbins went but to 1211 00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:21,160 Rendlesham forest that first time they 1212 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:24,730 actually did have a UFO event then and 1213 00:55:28,380 --> 00:55:26,050 that's that's the part on the 1214 00:55:31,710 --> 00:55:28,390 conversation on the recording that they 1215 00:55:36,450 --> 00:55:31,720 made so you know they they ever again 1216 00:55:39,780 --> 00:55:36,460 but I mean this our personnel army army 1217 00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:39,790 our US Air Force personnel as well as 1218 00:55:43,710 --> 00:55:41,710 the phenomena so that says to me it 1219 00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:43,720 wasn't really the phenomena Callejas I 1220 00:55:49,859 --> 00:55:48,400 think it was probably something get away 1221 00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:49,869 with it if you're going to be doing 1222 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:51,730 something pookie you're going to get 1223 00:55:56,310 --> 00:55:53,650 away with it in an area where people are 1224 00:55:58,050 --> 00:55:56,320 used to seeing things that are kooky but 1225 00:55:59,640 --> 00:55:58,060 so that it's it's all very real on 1226 00:56:00,720 --> 00:55:59,650 example into you know whatever it is I'm 1227 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:00,730 never going to take that away from 1228 00:56:05,130 --> 00:56:03,010 people is trauma I think I've been 1229 00:56:07,530 --> 00:56:05,140 traumatized by the phenomena myself I 1230 00:56:10,020 --> 00:56:07,540 completely understand that and and I 1231 00:56:12,420 --> 00:56:10,030 even say and my perceptions was that 1232 00:56:14,940 --> 00:56:12,430 when we saw this UFO it was actually 1233 00:56:17,310 --> 00:56:14,950 aliens inside it because that's the 1234 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:17,320 narrative that's the pop culture story 1235 00:56:22,890 --> 00:56:20,410 you know it would be these these plane 1236 00:56:25,650 --> 00:56:22,900 saucers they've got aliens in them 1237 00:56:28,859 --> 00:56:25,660 you know so it was very destabilizing 1238 00:56:31,470 --> 00:56:28,869 and deconstructing it over time you know 1239 00:56:34,529 --> 00:56:31,480 at first it was like mind blowing but 1240 00:56:36,359 --> 00:56:34,539 then you don't actually feel that until 1241 00:56:38,849 --> 00:56:36,369 it reverberates through you know you 1242 00:56:41,370 --> 00:56:38,859 have all the horrible realizations of 1243 00:56:43,470 --> 00:56:41,380 and then lose youth can a sense of 1244 00:56:47,010 --> 00:56:43,480 security and sense of knowing if what 1245 00:56:48,510 --> 00:56:47,020 things are you know so you go through 1246 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:48,520 about whether it's real or not because 1247 00:56:52,500 --> 00:56:50,170 it's your perception and that could have 1248 00:56:55,260 --> 00:56:52,510 been some kind of exotic technology that 1249 00:56:57,720 --> 00:56:55,270 the military in Wales would test in they 1250 00:56:59,700 --> 00:56:57,730 did that to us on purpose they hovered 1251 00:57:02,190 --> 00:56:59,710 right above us on perfect purpose and 1252 00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:02,200 terrified the life out of us on purpose 1253 00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:05,250 so that's just as difficult to accept as 1254 00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:09,520 aliens basically and also I mean they 1255 00:57:11,970 --> 00:57:10,510 could have actually kicked something 1256 00:57:14,279 --> 00:57:11,980 else off couldn't it's um it's a 1257 00:57:16,289 --> 00:57:14,289 dimension order because he interfered 1258 00:57:19,650 --> 00:57:16,299 with something it's brought something 1259 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:19,660 else into the interplay its they had the 1260 00:57:25,980 --> 00:57:24,250 nuclear arms treaty from 79 to 89 which 1261 00:57:30,089 --> 00:57:25,990 was nobody could use on see ballistic 1262 00:57:33,140 --> 00:57:30,099 missiles so in that 10-year period there 1263 00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:33,150 was a lot of R&D into electromagnetic 1264 00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:35,710 kind of electric using electricity or 1265 00:57:43,650 --> 00:57:40,680 magnets basically to create weapons to 1266 00:57:45,390 --> 00:57:43,660 stop a nuclear attack scale away that 1267 00:57:47,010 --> 00:57:45,400 kind of thing they were all being 1268 00:57:49,319 --> 00:57:47,020 working that's the kind of technology 1269 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:49,329 that I'm talking about so it's entirely 1270 00:57:52,650 --> 00:57:51,010 possible that there were some one kind 1271 00:57:55,980 --> 00:57:52,660 of research and development going on in 1272 00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:55,990 that area too because it the area is 1273 00:58:01,920 --> 00:57:58,210 known to be very weird and it always has 1274 00:58:03,180 --> 00:58:01,930 been and if you could just people would 1275 00:58:05,450 --> 00:58:03,190 see something and just think that 1276 00:58:09,450 --> 00:58:05,460 there's seen some of the phenomena so 1277 00:58:11,250 --> 00:58:09,460 you know Jerry's out for me really well 1278 00:58:12,990 --> 00:58:11,260 as I've said many times I've seen plenty 1279 00:58:14,940 --> 00:58:13,000 of weird stuff earlier with those 1280 00:58:16,859 --> 00:58:14,950 pictures and my own pictures and things 1281 00:58:20,180 --> 00:58:16,869 being in the in the woods in the middle 1282 00:58:22,410 --> 00:58:20,190 of night so three o'clock in the morning 1283 00:58:29,849 --> 00:58:22,420 change change goings on the earth 1284 00:58:32,039 --> 00:58:29,859 definitely yeah and Brenda's he likes a 1285 00:58:36,270 --> 00:58:32,049 good look at stared at Brenda's if he 1286 00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:36,280 could have stay there okay yeah 1287 00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:39,280 oh there's a think about that you 1288 00:58:43,980 --> 00:58:41,170 Minister winning that night after and 1289 00:58:46,410 --> 00:58:43,990 took some plaster of Paris and the 1290 00:58:48,270 --> 00:58:46,420 that's report it into the three holes 1291 00:58:50,430 --> 00:58:48,280 waiting around for an hour for the mixer 1292 00:58:53,310 --> 00:58:50,440 to set then remove the cast of placed in 1293 00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:53,320 his knapsack apparently a couple of 1294 00:58:57,660 --> 00:58:54,400 hours went missing didn't though he's 1295 00:58:59,070 --> 00:58:57,670 one went missing later to Colonel Holt 1296 00:59:00,540 --> 00:58:59,080 we're missing I think I think Colonel 1297 00:59:04,590 --> 00:59:00,550 Holt still got one though I'm hoping 1298 00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:04,600 he'll bring it to the conference sir but 1299 00:59:08,070 --> 00:59:06,850 you said he has trouble with the getting 1300 00:59:11,790 --> 00:59:08,080 into the country and everything and 1301 00:59:17,370 --> 00:59:11,800 moving it around any suitcase yeah why 1302 00:59:19,770 --> 00:59:17,380 carry a mess you big weirdo yeah like 1303 00:59:21,330 --> 00:59:19,780 Jones he's got some molten metal is any 1304 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:21,340 of that so he's that's right it was 1305 00:59:27,690 --> 00:59:23,890 found in the woods apparently that's 1306 00:59:29,940 --> 00:59:27,700 fallen off of her across I mean we 1307 00:59:34,220 --> 00:59:29,950 interests to say that because Cass 1308 00:59:36,810 --> 00:59:34,230 Clarke has a interesting blob as well 1309 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:36,820 that she found in the pen trick after 1310 00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:39,850 the pendrick incident you believe that I 1311 00:59:43,500 --> 00:59:41,650 know a lot of people don't believe it 1312 00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:43,510 because of how Caza is because she's 1313 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:45,610 confident when she speaks so they don't 1314 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:51,730 waver I think you're not quite sure what 1315 00:59:56,790 --> 00:59:55,450 the results will be were actually I need 1316 01:00:01,550 --> 00:59:56,800 to get one more show next time what 1317 01:00:04,170 --> 01:00:01,560 England yeah well you know like I said 1318 01:00:05,940 --> 01:00:04,180 all that stuff well what listening to 1319 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:05,950 all the people I didn't do because there 1320 01:00:11,220 --> 01:00:08,410 was a bit brain blind is that believed 1321 01:00:15,660 --> 01:00:11,230 somebody else and I believe their 1322 01:00:17,610 --> 01:00:15,670 narrative and I don't anymore but you 1323 01:00:19,470 --> 01:00:17,620 know it's it's just one of those things 1324 01:00:23,220 --> 01:00:19,480 that we believe what we want to believe 1325 01:00:25,470 --> 01:00:23,230 I think yeah I'm looking forward to Jim 1326 01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:25,480 Penniston book coming out and does say 1327 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:27,730 what that's what revelations that brings 1328 01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:30,490 out and well I've been talking to Gary 1329 01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:31,330 Oz bomb 1330 01:00:37,590 --> 01:00:34,960 affair about recently and you know and 1331 01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:37,600 I've said to him I just have trouble 1332 01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:39,610 with the binary it's hot so I believe 1333 01:00:44,910 --> 01:00:42,130 Jim I believe him open everything that 1334 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:44,920 he went through the objects it was there 1335 01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:47,770 but I really because of how it all came 1336 01:00:53,170 --> 01:00:50,210 out yeah I really have trouble digest 1337 01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:53,180 but you know like I say I can't say that 1338 01:00:56,770 --> 01:00:55,850 it didn't happen because I'm not a human 1339 01:00:59,110 --> 01:00:56,780 lie detector 1340 01:01:01,530 --> 01:00:59,120 I don't just automatically know stuff 1341 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:01,540 I'm not psychic like you know 1342 01:01:06,670 --> 01:01:04,010 psychically determining whether 1343 01:01:08,620 --> 01:01:06,680 something's valid or not you know but we 1344 01:01:10,570 --> 01:01:08,630 all do this we're all guilty of it even 1345 01:01:12,670 --> 01:01:10,580 still now and sorts of people and I've 1346 01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:12,680 learnt all these lessons of thinking not 1347 01:01:17,260 --> 01:01:14,450 I don't know him somebody's lying I 1348 01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:17,270 don't know they sat on the other and the 1349 01:01:21,540 --> 01:01:18,770 other people around me that have even 1350 01:01:24,430 --> 01:01:21,550 helps as well still think that they do 1351 01:01:27,820 --> 01:01:24,440 you tell just by looking at somebody so 1352 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:27,830 you know like I said I'd like to start 1353 01:01:31,900 --> 01:01:30,650 again with it all and start and listen 1354 01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:31,910 to other people that are refused to 1355 01:01:35,530 --> 01:01:33,410 listen to it before with our first 1356 01:01:36,940 --> 01:01:35,540 instinct is to believe people isn't it 1357 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:36,950 especially when you've you know been 1358 01:01:43,420 --> 01:01:40,250 there convincing as well it's just just 1359 01:01:45,820 --> 01:01:43,430 the way we are well we feel empty after 1360 01:01:47,350 --> 01:01:45,830 we've been kind of exposed to the 1361 01:01:48,820 --> 01:01:47,360 phenomena cause it kind of changes 1362 01:01:50,830 --> 01:01:48,830 everything it removes all of the things 1363 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:50,840 that you believed so when we meet other 1364 01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:52,610 people like us it kind of fills us up a 1365 01:01:58,030 --> 01:01:56,570 little because it's it's a finally we've 1366 01:02:00,490 --> 01:01:58,040 got kind of like a mirror reflection 1367 01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:00,500 coming back as with some sort of 1368 01:02:06,730 --> 01:02:04,400 validation so you know that's and we 1369 01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:06,740 truly do actually believe what we want 1370 01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:08,720 to believe and we totally think that 1371 01:02:12,790 --> 01:02:10,490 it's right as well and that we are right 1372 01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:12,800 and more often than not were absolutely 1373 01:02:18,850 --> 01:02:16,160 incorrect what we really need is I'd 1374 01:02:21,490 --> 01:02:18,860 really like the Pistons to come out and 1375 01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:21,500 say more about what his experience was 1376 01:02:30,910 --> 01:02:25,010 that night but so it seems that he seems 1377 01:02:32,830 --> 01:02:30,920 to be afraid peoples probably afraid of 1378 01:02:35,410 --> 01:02:32,840 what he was told maybe I don't know it 1379 01:02:37,660 --> 01:02:35,420 really got to him his debrief really got 1380 01:02:39,580 --> 01:02:37,670 to him and the bullet it's a cheap thing 1381 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:39,590 and it keeps getting weird phone calls 1382 01:02:45,310 --> 01:02:42,650 he has nightmares about yeah yeah so 1383 01:02:48,580 --> 01:02:45,320 he's kind of like you know it doesn't 1384 01:02:50,110 --> 01:02:48,590 trust anything anymore so people are 1385 01:02:51,790 --> 01:02:50,120 just know have to be patient yeah but 1386 01:02:54,490 --> 01:02:51,800 he's not it's not like he's never gonna 1387 01:02:56,620 --> 01:02:54,500 say anything he just doesn't want to in 1388 01:02:58,930 --> 01:02:56,630 the present climate and the way that he 1389 01:03:01,090 --> 01:02:58,940 feels about it because it was a very 1390 01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:01,100 traumatic thing all of it and it 1391 01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:04,089 completely freaked him out and you know 1392 01:03:10,569 --> 01:03:07,130 is proper like men in black situation 1393 01:03:14,620 --> 01:03:10,579 for him yeah you know real real life not 1394 01:03:17,170 --> 01:03:14,630 book stories real actual life so people 1395 01:03:19,450 --> 01:03:17,180 are just gonna have to wait and and hope 1396 01:03:21,819 --> 01:03:19,460 that one day it will be ready to say 1397 01:03:24,009 --> 01:03:21,829 everything and be brave enough and feel 1398 01:03:25,900 --> 01:03:24,019 well enough or you know well know brave 1399 01:03:28,059 --> 01:03:25,910 enough courageous enough to do it and 1400 01:03:29,500 --> 01:03:28,069 take that plunge even though you still 1401 01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:29,510 think that possibly somebody's gonna 1402 01:03:38,349 --> 01:03:36,410 come on you know kill you for it there 1403 01:03:41,019 --> 01:03:38,359 one day if he yeah if you can take the 1404 01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:41,029 courage to write it well maybe so maybe 1405 01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:42,640 that would be the thing that actually 1406 01:03:50,319 --> 01:03:45,920 starts some healing but I think he's 1407 01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:50,329 gonna actually visit suffer with John 1408 01:03:57,940 --> 01:03:53,210 and be with Ronnie but it won't be 1409 01:04:00,150 --> 01:03:57,950 anything that's advertised a good step 1410 01:04:07,210 --> 01:04:00,160 forward anyways it needs to heal and 1411 01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:07,220 it's been so so much descent in that in 1412 01:04:14,799 --> 01:04:09,890 the whole group of people that are part 1413 01:04:16,329 --> 01:04:14,809 or a part of it that it's like why would 1414 01:04:18,339 --> 01:04:16,339 you want to get involved in something 1415 01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:18,349 where everyone's arguing alone I want 1416 01:04:25,890 --> 01:04:21,680 today is for you to validate them or 1417 01:04:27,700 --> 01:04:25,900 disqualify them it's like but it's just 1418 01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:27,710 it's quite a pressure 1419 01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:29,930 I won't deliver that as I've said 1420 01:04:32,829 --> 01:04:31,730 several times I've got a lot of respect 1421 01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:32,839 for John Burroughs I've got a lot of 1422 01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:36,170 respect for him yeah respect for Colonel 1423 01:04:40,990 --> 01:04:38,690 Holt and for anyone that was involved in 1424 01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:41,000 their you know they went through 1425 01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:42,890 something in which some of us would 1426 01:04:53,529 --> 01:04:51,249 well yeah and now I I contributed I feel 1427 01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:53,539 that I contributed and I know that Peter 1428 01:04:59,289 --> 01:04:55,490 feels this as well that we contributed 1429 01:05:02,829 --> 01:04:59,299 to the pollution of it and you know for 1430 01:05:04,690 --> 01:05:02,839 me it's a part of wanting to be able to 1431 01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:04,700 put that right because when you think 1432 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:08,210 about how badly it affected everything 1433 01:05:15,339 --> 01:05:12,890 oh yeah and and causing these problems 1434 01:05:17,980 --> 01:05:15,349 between witnesses because they're 1435 01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:17,990 arguing over who was where and 1436 01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:21,200 where what happened etc hopefully now 1437 01:05:27,070 --> 01:05:23,839 that they'll change and the lies have 1438 01:05:29,470 --> 01:05:27,080 been removed there's a new layout and 1439 01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:29,480 then all of the witnesses may one day 1440 01:05:36,250 --> 01:05:34,880 even be in the same room together except 1441 01:05:40,930 --> 01:05:36,260 a couple years ago be great to get more 1442 01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:40,940 realm one table and as a witness myself 1443 01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:43,520 to something very dramatic I think that 1444 01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:45,290 that first occasion would have to be 1445 01:05:48,910 --> 01:05:47,810 private and everyone else on the 1446 01:05:51,130 --> 01:05:48,920 Internet just because they've got a 1447 01:05:53,470 --> 01:05:51,140 vested interest in it they can't say 1448 01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:53,480 that well that information belongs to 1449 01:05:58,839 --> 01:05:55,970 them because these people are all you 1450 01:06:01,329 --> 01:05:58,849 know they're all trying to hail from 1451 01:06:03,490 --> 01:06:01,339 something and I've discovered that the 1452 01:06:04,660 --> 01:06:03,500 best way to heal is to be able to talk 1453 01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:04,670 to the people that you went through it 1454 01:06:11,230 --> 01:06:09,680 with yeah I agree but probably a lot of 1455 01:06:13,060 --> 01:06:11,240 it we shouldn't maybe you know they say 1456 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:13,070 some it's a private thing it isn't 1457 01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:15,290 actually any of our business even though 1458 01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:17,570 it's also a public but you know 1459 01:06:24,070 --> 01:06:22,130 everybody makes it their business or you 1460 01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:24,080 know thinks that there are country 1461 01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:27,650 contributing to discovering what 1462 01:06:30,370 --> 01:06:28,970 occurred but there's so many people 1463 01:06:31,570 --> 01:06:30,380 doing that there's so many different 1464 01:06:33,550 --> 01:06:31,580 ideas and theories 1465 01:06:36,700 --> 01:06:33,560 so there's many theories as there are 1466 01:06:39,130 --> 01:06:36,710 people I guess it doesn't ultimately 1467 01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:39,140 help at the end of the day it's down to 1468 01:06:43,359 --> 01:06:40,640 the witnesses to figure it out between 1469 01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:43,369 them and then for them to tell us what 1470 01:06:48,730 --> 01:06:46,250 they think happened but a lot of the 1471 01:06:52,180 --> 01:06:48,740 people have researched these incidents 1472 01:06:56,500 --> 01:06:52,190 have unearthed some documentation or 1473 01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:56,510 something of value so you know it's not 1474 01:06:59,290 --> 01:06:58,160 actually a waste of time the public 1475 01:07:02,820 --> 01:06:59,300 knowing because the public can 1476 01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:02,830 contribute in a in a meaningful way 1477 01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:05,210 during this conference in the Woodbridge 1478 01:07:10,420 --> 01:07:06,770 for Colonel whole this year September 1479 01:07:12,510 --> 01:07:10,430 the last appearance in in 2015 with 1480 01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:12,520 Colonel Holt there was quite a horrible 1481 01:07:17,650 --> 01:07:15,650 yeah so come breach to it although I was 1482 01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:17,660 absolutely you know really really 1483 01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:19,490 pleased to meet Colonel help would have 1484 01:07:24,430 --> 01:07:22,250 particular time there was I could 1485 01:07:26,050 --> 01:07:24,440 understand why people are upset at that 1486 01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:26,060 time you know a lot of people who come 1487 01:07:30,579 --> 01:07:28,250 from different parts of the country you 1488 01:07:31,450 --> 01:07:30,589 know got invested in buying into the 1489 01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:31,460 hotel and 1490 01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:33,770 fairs and everything else I was under 1491 01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:34,970 down the road would certainly cost me 1492 01:07:41,500 --> 01:07:39,680 like 20 pounds to get in so yeah you 1493 01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:41,510 still felt that so you could feel their 1494 01:07:47,410 --> 01:07:44,930 anger in people you know but as you know 1495 01:07:48,700 --> 01:07:47,420 it is I know now I can understand yeah 1496 01:07:50,829 --> 01:07:48,710 well I think Pete a lot of people have 1497 01:07:53,470 --> 01:07:50,839 come to understand now that anger was 1498 01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:53,480 incorrectly focused on Colonel Holt 1499 01:07:59,099 --> 01:07:57,530 because he was at yeah truth yeah as we 1500 01:08:01,540 --> 01:07:59,109 know he's telling how do you do 1501 01:08:02,770 --> 01:08:01,550 obviously nobody can say the colonel 1502 01:08:06,819 --> 01:08:02,780 Holt was in there because he's I wrote 1503 01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:06,829 the memo whether his memories of the 1504 01:08:11,470 --> 01:08:09,770 actual incident are as accurate as you 1505 01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:11,480 know because there are a lot of 1506 01:08:16,630 --> 01:08:12,650 differences in different people's 1507 01:08:18,010 --> 01:08:16,640 memories but we all we can all we can 1508 01:08:21,459 --> 01:08:18,020 rely on is the people are there 1509 01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:21,469 particular incidents even even if their 1510 01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:25,130 stories differently opiate well the 1511 01:08:31,329 --> 01:08:28,400 image the image of the events in my head 1512 01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:31,339 is so distorted because I've always come 1513 01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:33,440 at it from Warren's perspective we're 1514 01:08:36,939 --> 01:08:34,850 thinking that all these things happened 1515 01:08:40,030 --> 01:08:36,949 in a certain place on a certain night I 1516 01:08:43,059 --> 01:08:40,040 mean actual fact that it's an 1517 01:08:45,099 --> 01:08:43,069 amalgamation of events that happened on 1518 01:08:47,650 --> 01:08:45,109 different nights in different places so 1519 01:08:48,910 --> 01:08:47,660 to me I'm right back at the drug at the 1520 01:08:51,459 --> 01:08:48,920 beginning at the drawing board again 1521 01:08:55,180 --> 01:08:51,469 because how can I even say that I know 1522 01:08:57,579 --> 01:08:55,190 anything when I believed him now I know 1523 01:08:58,749 --> 01:08:57,589 Adrian's part in it all and I'm getting 1524 01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:58,759 to know 1525 01:09:03,519 --> 01:09:00,799 well I knew quite a bit about what's 1526 01:09:05,470 --> 01:09:03,529 going on with John as well as far as 1527 01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:05,480 Jim's concerned with the binary and I 1528 01:09:11,410 --> 01:09:07,759 what I really left that as soon as it 1529 01:09:12,749 --> 01:09:11,420 started to you know come out and so I 1530 01:09:15,789 --> 01:09:12,759 don't even know 1531 01:09:20,079 --> 01:09:15,799 excuse me what has been said or what the 1532 01:09:22,570 --> 01:09:20,089 binary is supposed to be saying books 1533 01:09:25,689 --> 01:09:22,580 out so does this all be very hold of 1534 01:09:27,970 --> 01:09:25,699 that yeah no reserve judgment until I'll 1535 01:09:31,150 --> 01:09:27,980 write down we nobody could do now Jim 1536 01:09:32,890 --> 01:09:31,160 was there as well so was Jim and John 1537 01:09:34,809 --> 01:09:32,900 was together but they both have 1538 01:09:38,289 --> 01:09:34,819 different recollections as what's at 1539 01:09:40,090 --> 01:09:38,299 what happened well as far as that's 1540 01:09:42,099 --> 01:09:40,100 concerned you know as far as Jim's 1541 01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:42,109 concerned I believe everything he said 1542 01:09:48,039 --> 01:09:45,290 and touching the craft walking around 1543 01:09:50,410 --> 01:09:48,049 join us the symbols I mean you look at 1544 01:09:52,620 --> 01:09:50,420 his notebook and you can tell is pumped 1545 01:09:54,940 --> 01:09:52,630 full of adrenaline because they're 1546 01:09:56,170 --> 01:09:54,950 wobbly drawings you know you shake his 1547 01:10:00,850 --> 01:09:56,180 hands and shake him when he's drawing 1548 01:10:05,260 --> 01:10:00,860 them but even the binary wouldn't be 1549 01:10:07,210 --> 01:10:05,270 maybe so difficult to digest if it 1550 01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:07,220 hadn't come out the way that it had and 1551 01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:10,850 it's for so long yeah yeah that whole 1552 01:10:19,750 --> 01:10:17,210 thing confuses me and you know it when 1553 01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:19,760 Anjali Aegina interviewed him and he 1554 01:10:24,010 --> 01:10:21,920 said they didn't know what was being it 1555 01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:24,020 didn't know what they meant the binary 1556 01:10:29,500 --> 01:10:25,730 what the message was it didn't know what 1557 01:10:32,710 --> 01:10:29,510 it meant and then he said he understood 1558 01:10:34,980 --> 01:10:32,720 what it meant a little while later so it 1559 01:10:37,450 --> 01:10:34,990 was like okay now I'm confused as to 1560 01:10:39,970 --> 01:10:37,460 whether you knew what it meant or didn't 1561 01:10:43,810 --> 01:10:39,980 know what it meant and how you ended up 1562 01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:43,820 removing it from you notebook and 1563 01:10:48,730 --> 01:10:46,610 putting it back in but forgetting all 1564 01:10:52,690 --> 01:10:48,740 about it forgetting it even exists 1565 01:10:55,570 --> 01:10:52,700 that that's the bit that I felt that you 1566 01:10:57,490 --> 01:10:55,580 know but I'm hoping that I will be able 1567 01:11:03,100 --> 01:10:57,500 to talk to Jim to in any way I've been 1568 01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:03,110 talking to Gary Osbourne for a while to 1569 01:11:07,810 --> 01:11:04,850 try and get one on the show okay at some 1570 01:11:17,380 --> 01:11:07,820 point well it's about ferry coming on 1571 01:11:18,910 --> 01:11:17,390 the show and with him and you know maybe 1572 01:11:23,860 --> 01:11:18,920 Jim will come on with him I don't know I 1573 01:11:27,220 --> 01:11:23,870 don't know what happen I I am like a lot 1574 01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:27,230 of people who just well it's okay we're 1575 01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:29,210 all good to get to this bit than this 1576 01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:31,250 but here it just doesn't feel right 1577 01:11:43,390 --> 01:11:41,090 doesn't sound right so welcome to Jim 1578 01:11:44,860 --> 01:11:43,400 about what actually happened prior to 1579 01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:44,870 any of that you know for the the whole 1580 01:11:48,910 --> 01:11:46,730 night thing that how we ended up out 1581 01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:48,920 there and you know what sequence of 1582 01:11:55,630 --> 01:11:52,130 events was I've seen him and I've heard 1583 01:11:58,690 --> 01:11:55,640 him I've never spoken to him about lice 1584 01:12:01,990 --> 01:11:58,700 not swim briefly in 2010 1585 01:12:06,010 --> 01:12:02,000 then it all went sour on the forum that 1586 01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:06,020 we were all talking on so German Jim did 1587 01:12:11,950 --> 01:12:08,930 a disappearing act and then came back 1588 01:12:19,180 --> 01:12:11,960 it's back Mary stuff so yeah his own 1589 01:12:21,850 --> 01:12:19,190 health problems isn't this shouldn't 1590 01:12:24,460 --> 01:12:21,860 have been exposed to and no matter what 1591 01:12:27,550 --> 01:12:24,470 happens you know but I I've got some 1592 01:12:30,940 --> 01:12:27,560 thoughts that it could be staged event 1593 01:12:34,510 --> 01:12:30,950 staged realistic unusual event to test 1594 01:12:38,140 --> 01:12:34,520 officer attitude and an enemy response 1595 01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:38,150 base security technologies that were in 1596 01:12:43,090 --> 01:12:41,090 research and development stages so I 1597 01:12:45,100 --> 01:12:43,100 know that this went on on some basis I 1598 01:12:46,690 --> 01:12:45,110 don't know for a fact that it went on at 1599 01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:46,700 Rendlesham that something like that 1600 01:12:58,960 --> 01:12:48,530 could have been an employee disagrees 1601 01:13:03,400 --> 01:12:58,970 with there was there was a treaty in 1602 01:13:07,480 --> 01:13:03,410 place of a ban on all anti-ballistic 1603 01:13:09,700 --> 01:13:07,490 missiles being used to you know disarm 1604 01:13:13,540 --> 01:13:09,710 nukes or whatever there was a nuclear 1605 01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:13,550 bomb in that ten-year period from you 1606 01:13:17,380 --> 01:13:15,170 know well it'll be in the mid seventies 1607 01:13:20,860 --> 01:13:17,390 the treaty came into effect in 1979 to 1608 01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:20,870 89 they had to have other technologies 1609 01:13:27,850 --> 01:13:25,250 that would do the same job so they got 1610 01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:27,860 funky with electromagnetism and plasma 1611 01:13:31,660 --> 01:13:29,600 weapons and that sort of thing and 1612 01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:31,670 there's plenty of patents and research 1613 01:13:36,670 --> 01:13:33,770 papers out that's proving that timescale 1614 01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:36,680 they were doing this stuff and did it at 1615 01:13:44,410 --> 01:13:38,690 Fort Benning which is a basically a 1616 01:13:47,620 --> 01:13:44,420 military testing place you know just in 1617 01:13:49,690 --> 01:13:47,630 the troops basically they did a a 1618 01:13:52,300 --> 01:13:49,700 project called joint attack weapon 1619 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:52,310 system test which involved this big 1620 01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:55,010 Boeing UAVs helicopter stealth 1621 01:14:01,090 --> 01:13:57,920 helicopters it was you know a massive 1622 01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:01,100 massive training operation and it made 1623 01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:06,250 it was using Holograms parabolic mirrors 1624 01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:09,770 electromagnetic fields plasma weapons 1625 01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:12,080 all the rest of it you name it lays 1626 01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:13,850 all of it was all going on in that and 1627 01:14:18,130 --> 01:14:15,890 that that's actually a fact with 1628 01:14:21,220 --> 01:14:18,140 documentation that you can get online 1629 01:14:23,260 --> 01:14:21,230 and fought gunning incident in John 1630 01:14:25,630 --> 01:14:23,270 Vasquez was a witness and the I talk to 1631 01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:25,640 him a lot about this and I knew it was a 1632 01:14:29,770 --> 01:14:28,400 weapon you it was a military test and I 1633 01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:29,780 had the paperwork to show that it was a 1634 01:14:33,310 --> 01:14:31,730 military test and Ronnie was there with 1635 01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:33,320 me and we were both trying to counsel 1636 01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:37,130 him and he he just could not get out his 1637 01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:39,490 head what he saw were so otherworldly 1638 01:14:46,090 --> 01:14:43,280 that it was an alien invasion and then 1639 01:14:49,660 --> 01:14:46,100 we have Rendlesham happen and it's like 1640 01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:49,670 a wet squib kind of firework compared to 1641 01:14:54,100 --> 01:14:52,010 Fort Benning but it was still absolutely 1642 01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:54,110 massive so but it doesn't really matter 1643 01:14:59,200 --> 01:14:56,810 if that's the case or not 1644 01:15:00,820 --> 01:14:59,210 because in that event they were 1645 01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:00,830 untrained for that moment they were 1646 01:15:07,540 --> 01:15:02,690 untrained to deal with something like 1647 01:15:10,050 --> 01:15:07,550 that so it was all adrenaline you know 1648 01:15:14,380 --> 01:15:10,060 looking to you Superior's what do we do 1649 01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:14,390 you know this is it well it's traumatic 1650 01:15:18,700 --> 01:15:15,770 isn't it when you have something like 1651 01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:18,710 that and then it was gonna be even more 1652 01:15:23,830 --> 01:15:21,770 trauma so you're coming out of that not 1653 01:15:27,370 --> 01:15:23,840 knowing your backside from a hole in the 1654 01:15:30,250 --> 01:15:27,380 ground and your heads been scrambled on 1655 01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:30,260 purpose see what I can't get my head 1656 01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:31,970 round with there is there was a little 1657 01:15:36,010 --> 01:15:33,770 light going around in the forest first 1658 01:15:37,660 --> 01:15:36,020 of all how would they know that someone 1659 01:15:40,180 --> 01:15:37,670 would actually notice it and be drawn 1660 01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:40,190 out to go and see it you know if it was 1661 01:15:43,330 --> 01:15:41,840 some sort of a mystery exercise it made 1662 01:15:50,410 --> 01:15:43,340 it wouldn't you wouldn't have made it 1663 01:15:54,010 --> 01:15:50,420 more obvious if you refer to James 1664 01:15:57,550 --> 01:15:54,020 Wario's research it's a plasma yeah so 1665 01:15:59,620 --> 01:15:57,560 chunky changes in as well yeah because 1666 01:16:01,570 --> 01:15:59,630 he was talking to me about the documents 1667 01:16:02,770 --> 01:16:01,580 that I found and I said to him look if 1668 01:16:05,230 --> 01:16:02,780 you want to go down that rabbit hole 1669 01:16:08,110 --> 01:16:05,240 look at the attendees the people that 1670 01:16:09,610 --> 01:16:08,120 were on the list as attendees and who 1671 01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:09,620 were to be sent the minutes of each 1672 01:16:14,290 --> 01:16:12,410 meeting and then google that person's 1673 01:16:18,060 --> 01:16:14,300 name and put at the end of the Google 1674 01:16:20,290 --> 01:16:18,070 search patent you know CV your thesis 1675 01:16:24,500 --> 01:16:20,300 and you know all these different words 1676 01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:24,510 and see what they worked on and you know 1677 01:16:29,859 --> 01:16:27,090 they're specially interested what their 1678 01:16:32,569 --> 01:16:29,869 career was and you will find patterns of 1679 01:16:35,089 --> 01:16:32,579 there are working on weapons some of 1680 01:16:37,549 --> 01:16:35,099 them were from Jake are you know it's 1681 01:16:40,970 --> 01:16:37,559 like this is a big deal and it happened 1682 01:16:42,620 --> 01:16:40,980 it happened on basis it definitely 1683 01:16:46,339 --> 01:16:42,630 happened it was sponsored by the defense 1684 01:16:49,129 --> 01:16:46,349 nuclear Affairs agency and the law 1685 01:16:52,910 --> 01:16:49,139 enforcement standards agency and it 1686 01:16:56,779 --> 01:16:52,920 involved the Navy the Armed Forces and 1687 01:17:00,799 --> 01:16:56,789 the Air Forces and all of the you know a 1688 01:17:03,140 --> 01:17:00,809 multi-agency response an accident black 1689 01:17:05,689 --> 01:17:03,150 out white hat that actually happened 1690 01:17:07,850 --> 01:17:05,699 there's meat there's minutes of meetings 1691 01:17:11,569 --> 01:17:07,860 after that discuss the various 1692 01:17:13,819 --> 01:17:11,579 technologies and you know everything 1693 01:17:16,220 --> 01:17:13,829 that they actually completed in these 1694 01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:16,230 tests so it did happen on basically 1695 01:17:24,319 --> 01:17:20,880 somewhere in that timeframe and you know 1696 01:17:30,020 --> 01:17:24,329 to me I find it very difficult to move 1697 01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:30,030 past that military were playing at UFOs 1698 01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:33,090 to see what you know how to control the 1699 01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:35,280 situation because it really didn't have 1700 01:17:41,450 --> 01:17:38,730 any contingency plan for for example 1701 01:17:43,700 --> 01:17:41,460 what they use as an example was a sort 1702 01:17:47,509 --> 01:17:43,710 of fleet of helicopters coming in from 1703 01:17:50,450 --> 01:17:47,519 private some a billionaire who wants 1704 01:17:52,759 --> 01:17:50,460 nuclear weapons they all complain in 1705 01:17:54,830 --> 01:17:52,769 take over the base get what they want 1706 01:17:57,470 --> 01:17:54,840 and fly out again you know they didn't 1707 01:18:00,560 --> 01:17:57,480 have a contingency for that so that 1708 01:18:02,660 --> 01:18:00,570 scenario was one of the examples given 1709 01:18:07,089 --> 01:18:02,670 but then at the end it said but we've 1710 01:18:09,140 --> 01:18:07,099 had some very Buck Rogers ideas hmm 1711 01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:09,150 offices as well it sort of makes a 1712 01:18:17,180 --> 01:18:11,730 mockery of the aliens landing capable 1713 01:18:19,879 --> 01:18:17,190 green doesn't happen and the first time 1714 01:18:22,490 --> 01:18:19,889 he even said it he was in a hypnosis 1715 01:18:23,959 --> 01:18:22,500 that he faked so you know his first 1716 01:18:26,450 --> 01:18:23,969 memory of aliens when he was worth 1717 01:18:28,850 --> 01:18:26,460 faking a hypnosis but you know they were 1718 01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:28,860 that was where I was going with that was 1719 01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:30,570 that they were messing about with 1720 01:18:35,569 --> 01:18:33,690 electromagnetism a lot and and it was 1721 01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:35,579 kind of like a bit of the Wild West was 1722 01:18:41,180 --> 01:18:38,400 nothing as far as 1723 01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:41,190 Tesla Ponson the mmod with Rowan cadmium 1724 01:18:47,959 --> 01:18:43,760 all over the place try for whatever 1725 01:18:50,419 --> 01:18:47,969 reasons they had read our bases like 1726 01:18:53,689 --> 01:18:50,429 really close to civilization 1727 01:18:55,100 --> 01:18:53,699 you know I mean so it was all going off 1728 01:18:58,220 --> 01:18:55,110 and you and Whitney over-the-horizon 1729 01:19:00,770 --> 01:18:58,230 radar thing that they're doing a copper 1730 01:19:03,950 --> 01:19:00,780 mist and then the Gwen towers you just 1731 01:19:05,930 --> 01:19:03,960 don't know what kind of clash those 1732 01:19:08,780 --> 01:19:05,940 clashes of energies are still in there 1733 01:19:10,189 --> 01:19:08,790 are going to create and people are being 1734 01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:10,199 sold don't go fishing there you'll get 1735 01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:13,170 microwave to death so you know from 1736 01:19:16,580 --> 01:19:15,090 where does all the energy go and what 1737 01:19:19,370 --> 01:19:16,590 does it create and does it attract 1738 01:19:22,490 --> 01:19:19,380 something where there's was 80 attracted 1739 01:19:28,729 --> 01:19:22,500 to it where they you know had something 1740 01:19:31,370 --> 01:19:28,739 occurred that something else yeah so you 1741 01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:31,380 know I don't know another I'll just say 1742 01:19:35,630 --> 01:19:33,810 I can't help but think that because I've 1743 01:19:39,229 --> 01:19:35,640 read these documents and everything 1744 01:19:41,899 --> 01:19:39,239 that's in it just fits the bill but I 1745 01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:41,909 you know out like everyone says none of 1746 01:19:46,220 --> 01:19:44,610 us were there and for the most part even 1747 01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:46,230 the other witnesses weren't with each 1748 01:19:51,860 --> 01:19:48,719 other so they weren't ever together not 1749 01:19:55,250 --> 01:19:51,870 the ones that are talking when they said 1750 01:19:59,149 --> 01:19:55,260 that they saw are touched or was taken 1751 01:20:01,220 --> 01:19:59,159 off or whatever they went together so 1752 01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:01,230 there's all that conflicts as well 1753 01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:03,210 there's nobody there so back and the 1754 01:20:07,689 --> 01:20:05,280 other one up and like John and Adrian 1755 01:20:11,660 --> 01:20:07,699 was together with Colonel halt 1756 01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:11,670 so hopefully John will find a little bit 1757 01:20:14,780 --> 01:20:13,440 of peace inside himself as well as 1758 01:20:17,630 --> 01:20:14,790 Adrian because they're both really 1759 01:20:20,270 --> 01:20:17,640 struggle with that it's really sad 1760 01:20:22,130 --> 01:20:20,280 because the this this is either happened 1761 01:20:24,350 --> 01:20:22,140 to them and it's so wild that they're 1762 01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:24,360 just being left to rot ah it's been done 1763 01:20:27,649 --> 01:20:25,890 to them on purpose and then they're just 1764 01:20:30,620 --> 01:20:27,659 being left to rot I think it's just 1765 01:20:32,209 --> 01:20:30,630 appalling yeah I know Colonel held quite 1766 01:20:33,950 --> 01:20:32,219 close to Jim Penniston nothing ever 1767 01:20:36,260 --> 01:20:33,960 respects each other quad yeah they speak 1768 01:20:39,950 --> 01:20:36,270 a lot so I kind of halt 1769 01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:39,960 speaks well of team so uh whether he 1770 01:20:44,930 --> 01:20:42,330 agrees with the bar to get his opinions 1771 01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:44,940 on the binary and everything as press we 1772 01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:46,050 can go into that when we had the 1773 01:20:53,359 --> 01:20:50,010 conference in September be interesting 1774 01:20:56,359 --> 01:20:55,009 the books absolutely so hopefully 1775 01:20:58,189 --> 01:20:56,369 everyone would a bit more a few of us 1776 01:21:00,830 --> 01:20:58,199 would already but yeah we know what 1777 01:21:03,410 --> 01:21:00,840 we're talking about yeah oh look a bit 1778 01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:03,420 crazy in 2010 it was all very I mean 1779 01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:05,610 there's Larry was there with his you 1780 01:21:09,919 --> 01:21:07,679 know carry on and arguing with everybody 1781 01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:09,929 and people who were there say look 1782 01:21:14,959 --> 01:21:12,210 that's not going up and and he's 1783 01:21:16,279 --> 01:21:14,969 twisting it and on the far room that we 1784 01:21:19,370 --> 01:21:16,289 were on the Rendlesham forest incident 1785 01:21:21,109 --> 01:21:19,380 forum John was on there and we were all 1786 01:21:22,939 --> 01:21:21,119 on there and he was asking lots of 1787 01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:22,949 questions but people were asking lots of 1788 01:21:27,950 --> 01:21:25,610 questions of him like they they'd all 1789 01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:27,960 sort of looked into this to the most 1790 01:21:33,319 --> 01:21:31,530 finite detail and John comes on and 1791 01:21:35,689 --> 01:21:33,329 there's like oh yeah I'm just trying to 1792 01:21:38,569 --> 01:21:35,699 figure it out and it gets bombarded with 1793 01:21:40,490 --> 01:21:38,579 like ten billion questions from 20 1794 01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:40,500 different people all really really 1795 01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:44,010 really like panicky details of you know 1796 01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:45,570 like John wouldn't even know because 1797 01:21:49,759 --> 01:21:47,250 he's not like he's researched the entire 1798 01:21:51,589 --> 01:21:49,769 thing I saw everything everyone saw and 1799 01:21:54,529 --> 01:21:51,599 I felt sorry for him because he it must 1800 01:21:56,270 --> 01:21:54,539 have been so overwhelming and then Jim 1801 01:21:58,490 --> 01:21:56,280 turned up and then they both disappeared 1802 01:22:02,270 --> 01:21:58,500 and then they came back with this binary 1803 01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:02,280 stuff and my partner dave was the 1804 01:22:05,689 --> 01:22:04,320 webmaster and all the rest of it and 1805 01:22:07,759 --> 01:22:05,699 when that came out he just didn't 1806 01:22:10,850 --> 01:22:07,769 believe it so he said he thought it was 1807 01:22:12,979 --> 01:22:10,860 all a scam shut everything down and and 1808 01:22:16,609 --> 01:22:12,989 you know like walked away from it yeah 1809 01:22:21,020 --> 01:22:16,619 we should have been digging a bit more a 1810 01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:21,030 bit more like you was you know do the 1811 01:22:27,770 --> 01:22:24,449 digging did I and I fell for all the 1812 01:22:30,290 --> 01:22:27,780 politics and so for the Larry war and 1813 01:22:32,029 --> 01:22:30,300 wounded soldier routine I fell apart but 1814 01:22:34,549 --> 01:22:32,039 he was there in my face and he's very 1815 01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:34,559 believable you I didn't buy the book 1816 01:22:40,069 --> 01:22:37,250 read the book then meet him about him 1817 01:22:41,870 --> 01:22:40,079 conference and we you know 1818 01:22:43,549 --> 01:22:41,880 seyeong around your girlfriend 1819 01:22:47,950 --> 01:22:43,559 afterwards you're like in the same place 1820 01:22:51,290 --> 01:22:47,960 so we just took we offer both tele crazy 1821 01:22:54,259 --> 01:22:51,300 humor and you know I've marked lives his 1822 01:22:55,939 --> 01:22:54,269 mug life has been you know a lie but 1823 01:22:59,209 --> 01:22:55,949 it's B's up some genuinely mad stuff 1824 01:23:01,250 --> 01:22:59,219 happen to him and so it's mine and were 1825 01:23:03,589 --> 01:23:01,260 just like I thought he was like me 1826 01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:03,599 because I have PTSD and I was just 1827 01:23:08,830 --> 01:23:05,250 learning out a talk about my 1828 01:23:11,930 --> 01:23:08,840 experience and you know getting to know 1829 01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:11,940 myself again because I've been hiding 1830 01:23:14,150 --> 01:23:13,770 from this thing that happened it ruined 1831 01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:14,160 me 1832 01:23:17,660 --> 01:23:16,170 so it was great it was like ray people 1833 01:23:22,610 --> 01:23:17,670 understand me yeah somebody on my 1834 01:23:24,710 --> 01:23:22,620 wavelength you know but it turns out not 1835 01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:24,720 to be true but I want it to believe it 1836 01:23:31,010 --> 01:23:27,360 you see I wanted I wanted somebody to 1837 01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:31,020 relate to who'd being face to face with 1838 01:23:36,590 --> 01:23:33,810 a craft like that Travis Walton was a 1839 01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:36,600 million miles away you know anyone else 1840 01:23:42,980 --> 01:23:38,970 that had been in that position I didn't 1841 01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:42,990 know but there where is this guy where I 1842 01:23:48,830 --> 01:23:45,840 totally plot right yeah I know I know 1843 01:23:52,250 --> 01:23:48,840 he's I know he's damaged it's the same 1844 01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:52,260 as mine you know I mean yeah we do 1845 01:23:57,260 --> 01:23:53,610 believe what we want to believe that's 1846 01:24:00,290 --> 01:23:57,270 something that I have learned very much 1847 01:24:03,230 --> 01:24:00,300 from through this we believe we think 1848 01:24:08,330 --> 01:24:03,240 that we are human lie detectors we think 1849 01:24:09,980 --> 01:24:08,340 we just know sometimes we do more often 1850 01:24:11,300 --> 01:24:09,990 than not with her and and then 1851 01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:11,310 especially with him she couldn't look 1852 01:24:15,710 --> 01:24:13,050 him right in the eye and they've been 1853 01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:15,720 looking you right in the eye and you 1854 01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:19,290 like this guy's telling the truth and 1855 01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:21,600 you just you just want to believe it 1856 01:24:26,930 --> 01:24:24,570 yeah okay that's what you're saying I 1857 01:24:28,460 --> 01:24:26,940 mean there's also lots of experiments 1858 01:24:30,710 --> 01:24:28,470 with teleportation and think oh no I 1859 01:24:32,890 --> 01:24:30,720 wasn't there you know maybe there was 1860 01:24:34,910 --> 01:24:32,900 some sort of incident interdimensional 1861 01:24:36,980 --> 01:24:34,920 anomaly that might have appeared and 1862 01:24:43,900 --> 01:24:36,990 disappeared which is what John's condo 1863 01:24:52,900 --> 01:24:47,170 his own ideas as to what he thinks he is 1864 01:24:55,220 --> 01:24:52,910 well teleportation but I know that they 1865 01:24:58,370 --> 01:24:55,230 they were messing with Holograms and 1866 01:25:03,470 --> 01:24:58,380 things like that and they in Fort 1867 01:25:06,020 --> 01:25:03,480 Benning John Vasquez was he saw these 1868 01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:06,030 little white lights and if they stung 1869 01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:08,370 him and there it was like Big John baby 1870 01:25:11,930 --> 01:25:10,170 but it was like plasma bullets and they 1871 01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:11,940 were just knocking them out he's like 1872 01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:15,450 being hit by a taser and said that they 1873 01:25:18,050 --> 01:25:17,010 all woke up with these little marks on 1874 01:25:19,159 --> 01:25:18,060 them and they were told that they had 1875 01:25:22,819 --> 01:25:19,169 measles 1876 01:25:24,649 --> 01:25:22,829 you know then there was a fast field 1877 01:25:28,339 --> 01:25:24,659 that they could actually get through 1878 01:25:31,219 --> 01:25:28,349 unless they set off flares kinetic kind 1879 01:25:32,689 --> 01:25:31,229 of explosion would dissipate this feel 1880 01:25:35,089 --> 01:25:32,699 fast fields and they managed to get 1881 01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:35,099 through it and that's all crazy stuff 1882 01:25:39,139 --> 01:25:37,050 that's not godly explore that kind of 1883 01:25:41,449 --> 01:25:39,149 thing it's gonna fry your mind it's 1884 01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:41,459 gonna give you heart problems all the 1885 01:25:46,189 --> 01:25:43,199 rest of it in fact he died of a stroke 1886 01:25:48,620 --> 01:25:46,199 did John Vasquez but anyone who thinks 1887 01:25:51,259 --> 01:25:48,630 that what I say about Rendlesham is out 1888 01:25:54,319 --> 01:25:51,269 there you would need to read about the 1889 01:25:56,989 --> 01:25:54,329 jars tests and thought read his book 1890 01:26:00,020 --> 01:25:56,999 fort benning incidentally is that it's 1891 01:26:01,790 --> 01:26:00,030 just like wild gosh you know you're the 1892 01:26:04,370 --> 01:26:01,800 grave of Mendelsohn's a very weird place 1893 01:26:06,589 --> 01:26:04,380 anyway this - oh yeah things going on 1894 01:26:08,389 --> 01:26:06,599 there yeah I mean there's you know 1895 01:26:10,100 --> 01:26:08,399 Brenda takes Brenda back though talking 1896 01:26:11,989 --> 01:26:10,110 about now she takes some amazing 1897 01:26:13,819 --> 01:26:11,999 pictures of these shadows and the orbs 1898 01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:13,829 and I mean I've taken myself up in on 1899 01:26:21,529 --> 01:26:18,719 some of the night walks and there's some 1900 01:26:24,469 --> 01:26:21,539 tour tells as well about joints and I'm 1901 01:26:31,129 --> 01:26:24,479 kind of on the verge of not believing 1902 01:26:32,719 --> 01:26:31,139 now just makes it an ideal place to do 1903 01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:32,729 something like that because any of the 1904 01:26:37,189 --> 01:26:34,649 locals would see anything and they would 1905 01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:37,199 just think that it was the phenomena 1906 01:26:41,689 --> 01:26:39,360 because it's a bit like that round I so 1907 01:26:44,629 --> 01:26:41,699 yeah you know people would just kind of 1908 01:26:48,199 --> 01:26:44,639 see whatever and just and just brush it 1909 01:26:51,259 --> 01:26:48,209 off as another bit of oh well there you 1910 01:26:52,939 --> 01:26:51,269 go safaris though isn't it something 1911 01:26:57,439 --> 01:26:52,949 that feeds on your imagination and makes 1912 01:27:01,279 --> 01:26:57,449 you imagine things I guarantee that I 1913 01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:01,289 love its is a weird place it's got a 1914 01:27:08,779 --> 01:27:05,010 massive history of death anyway from you 1915 01:27:11,859 --> 01:27:08,789 know many years ago Saxons and Normans 1916 01:27:15,020 --> 01:27:11,869 and just for people just you know they 1917 01:27:16,939 --> 01:27:15,030 actually live about 20 miles up 24 20 20 1918 01:27:20,239 --> 01:27:16,949 minutes away from a Rendlesham forest so 1919 01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:20,249 it's actually very near to me there are 1920 01:27:25,669 --> 01:27:23,489 burrows and burial ground and all kinds 1921 01:27:27,210 --> 01:27:25,679 of ancient things it's one of the 1922 01:27:29,670 --> 01:27:27,220 earliest sexing 1923 01:27:31,740 --> 01:27:29,680 areas of the sexes settlement areas I 1924 01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:31,750 believe around the city yeah yeah you 1925 01:27:38,970 --> 01:27:33,040 can tell by the churches because they 1926 01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:38,980 have been square tops oh it's beautiful 1927 01:27:46,110 --> 01:27:44,050 as well you driving through the villages 1928 01:27:48,780 --> 01:27:46,120 and there's pink and yellow cottages 1929 01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:48,790 with fetch droves and you know any 1930 01:28:03,240 --> 01:27:50,560 American that comes in is like imagine 1931 01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:03,250 having a fetch drew picturesque yeah and 1932 01:28:13,610 --> 01:28:07,600 it's by the coast as well so atomic 1933 01:28:19,770 --> 01:28:16,800 but also that actually red we think well 1934 01:28:22,530 --> 01:28:19,780 you know if you wanted to do some crazy 1935 01:28:26,340 --> 01:28:22,540 crazy crazy stuff with big magnets and 1936 01:28:28,890 --> 01:28:26,350 yes large you know amounts of 1937 01:28:31,620 --> 01:28:28,900 electricity then just being a few miles 1938 01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:31,630 away from a nuclear power station would 1939 01:28:35,100 --> 01:28:33,610 be quite useful wouldn't ya 1940 01:28:37,170 --> 01:28:35,110 why not bend in the woods I see was 1941 01:28:40,290 --> 01:28:37,180 talking about k2 meters before a couple 1942 01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:40,300 of years ago we friend Chris before he 1943 01:28:46,140 --> 01:28:44,170 died we were in the woods under it was 1944 01:28:48,510 --> 01:28:46,150 going from red yeah was going right 1945 01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:48,520 across the top of the lights you read 1946 01:28:52,350 --> 01:28:50,370 them back again and just disappearing so 1947 01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:52,360 normally if you've got some sort of a 1948 01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:53,770 field it would stay red all the time 1949 01:28:57,570 --> 01:28:55,360 wouldn't it you know not go up and down 1950 01:29:00,650 --> 01:28:57,580 like like it was which is a bit um 1951 01:29:03,300 --> 01:29:00,660 doesn't miss change well yeah I've got 1952 01:29:05,070 --> 01:29:03,310 electrical interference on photographs 1953 01:29:07,710 --> 01:29:05,080 that you can see you know like it's been 1954 01:29:10,710 --> 01:29:07,720 then they have lines like that like 1955 01:29:14,130 --> 01:29:10,720 you've taken a picture of a screen so I 1956 01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:14,140 don't know how that could be right out 1957 01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:17,290 there why would it affect cameras it's 1958 01:29:22,590 --> 01:29:20,530 very weird yeah I love taking pictures 1959 01:29:23,970 --> 01:29:22,600 I've taken most of the room will come 1960 01:29:25,890 --> 01:29:23,980 out plate can also and you'll get one 1961 01:29:27,210 --> 01:29:25,900 that's kept oh yes it's full of orbs and 1962 01:29:28,470 --> 01:29:27,220 then you take they're all pointing in 1963 01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:28,480 the same way we'll take it within a few 1964 01:29:33,330 --> 01:29:30,250 seconds and then they'll be back again 1965 01:29:34,980 --> 01:29:33,340 so I really can't explain what there is 1966 01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:34,990 I mean people say it's moisture drops 1967 01:29:40,230 --> 01:29:38,250 but wouldn't that be on every picture 1968 01:29:40,989 --> 01:29:40,240 affections they'll be on every pictures 1969 01:29:46,529 --> 01:29:40,999 well yeah 1970 01:29:51,219 --> 01:29:49,719 obscene Khan fields ops outside it's 1971 01:29:54,189 --> 01:29:51,229 like no sorry there's too many 1972 01:29:56,370 --> 01:29:54,199 particulates in there and I'm really the 1973 01:29:58,899 --> 01:29:56,380 mists the mist interests me because 1974 01:30:02,290 --> 01:29:58,909 they're just suddenly appear you can 1975 01:30:05,709 --> 01:30:02,300 feel them Anja and the mists often give 1976 01:30:08,859 --> 01:30:05,719 off an electromagnetic field so and 1977 01:30:12,279 --> 01:30:08,869 often that's it they look like something 1978 01:30:16,180 --> 01:30:12,289 you know like an alien or this one that 1979 01:30:16,839 --> 01:30:16,190 Brenda took it looks like a race on 1980 01:30:19,450 --> 01:30:16,849 horseback 1981 01:30:22,379 --> 01:30:19,460 yeah the face is in the pinnacle you you 1982 01:30:25,660 --> 01:30:22,389 know it's another strange anomaly yeah 1983 01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:25,670 but they are very well defined images 1984 01:30:31,029 --> 01:30:29,210 and so I don't know I kind of like think 1985 01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:31,039 there's something weird to that I don't 1986 01:30:35,529 --> 01:30:32,449 know what I wouldn't like to sort of 1987 01:30:38,169 --> 01:30:35,539 even postulate but yeah I've had some 1988 01:30:40,270 --> 01:30:38,179 weird moments down there I mean when I 1989 01:30:44,770 --> 01:30:40,280 stayed at Brenda's house if you stay at 1990 01:30:48,609 --> 01:30:44,780 Brenda's good luck this house is haunted 1991 01:30:50,620 --> 01:30:48,619 and there's definitely a graze around 1992 01:30:52,390 --> 01:30:50,630 her definitely the greys I 1993 01:30:54,759 --> 01:30:52,400 I stayed in their room and I went to bed 1994 01:30:57,069 --> 01:30:54,769 I felt I felt weird in the kitchen like 1995 01:30:58,450 --> 01:30:57,079 something was I could feel my hair and 1996 01:31:00,850 --> 01:30:58,460 see my hair moving a bit feel this 1997 01:31:02,379 --> 01:31:00,860 breeze it was a little wild but I 1998 01:31:04,209 --> 01:31:02,389 thought you know in somebody's house I 1999 01:31:07,359 --> 01:31:04,219 don't know what it's like and I thought 2000 01:31:10,689 --> 01:31:07,369 I don't feel like it's from a window it 2001 01:31:12,370 --> 01:31:10,699 feels like something's moving around me 2002 01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:12,380 you know and then I felt like something 2003 01:31:16,390 --> 01:31:15,170 that put his hand on my head and I was 2004 01:31:18,580 --> 01:31:16,400 like well that's a bit weird so I 2005 01:31:21,399 --> 01:31:18,590 mentioned it to Brenda that's right oh 2006 01:31:23,620 --> 01:31:21,409 yeah it's all well you know it's just my 2007 01:31:26,229 --> 01:31:23,630 house net you know so it's about that 2008 01:31:28,390 --> 01:31:26,239 night and this is how superstitious I am 2009 01:31:30,189 --> 01:31:28,400 I had a rosary bead that I wrapped 2010 01:31:32,379 --> 01:31:30,199 around my hand and I put the pot the 2011 01:31:35,049 --> 01:31:32,389 cross in my palm and it was wrapped 2012 01:31:38,350 --> 01:31:35,059 around my hand three times and then I 2013 01:31:39,790 --> 01:31:38,360 had a crystal under my pillow and then I 2014 01:31:42,580 --> 01:31:39,800 got to bed at night I was sort of like 2015 01:31:46,270 --> 01:31:42,590 snuggled down falling asleep and I felt 2016 01:31:47,739 --> 01:31:46,280 me the top cover slide off so I just 2017 01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:47,749 picked so I grabbed the edge of it and 2018 01:31:54,849 --> 01:31:50,690 pulled it back to me and then it kind of 2019 01:31:56,649 --> 01:31:54,859 was pulled back again 2020 01:31:58,899 --> 01:31:56,659 now sort of like pulled it to me and 2021 01:32:01,810 --> 01:31:58,909 then it got snatched out of man really I 2022 01:32:07,719 --> 01:32:01,820 speed and I sat up and I won't leave me 2023 01:32:09,939 --> 01:32:07,729 alone screaming as it was at my eyelids 2024 01:32:12,250 --> 01:32:09,949 to turn to what I couldn't open them so 2025 01:32:13,839 --> 01:32:12,260 I was like and I just kind of like threw 2026 01:32:16,419 --> 01:32:13,849 myself down on the bed and pulled the 2027 01:32:19,839 --> 01:32:16,429 other blankets up turning underneath my 2028 01:32:21,159 --> 01:32:19,849 chin and you know I was terrified and 2029 01:32:23,379 --> 01:32:21,169 there's something grabbed me by the feet 2030 01:32:24,759 --> 01:32:23,389 and then pulled me down the bed but 2031 01:32:26,889 --> 01:32:24,769 there was a brick wall at the end of the 2032 01:32:28,270 --> 01:32:26,899 bed it could have been no room for 2033 01:32:30,729 --> 01:32:28,280 anything there was like the brick wall 2034 01:32:32,349 --> 01:32:30,739 stood chairs and the bed was right up 2035 01:32:36,279 --> 01:32:32,359 against the two chairs that were folded 2036 01:32:38,379 --> 01:32:36,289 up so I thought as far as I got pulled 2037 01:32:42,489 --> 01:32:38,389 down that bed my feet would have been 2038 01:32:45,429 --> 01:32:42,499 sticking out of the wall right so I was 2039 01:32:48,759 --> 01:32:45,439 totally freaked out by that absolutely 2040 01:32:51,069 --> 01:32:48,769 you know the next day up the Rosary was 2041 01:32:52,329 --> 01:32:51,079 off my hand it was under my pillow and 2042 01:32:54,429 --> 01:32:52,339 the crystal that was under my pillow it 2043 01:32:56,500 --> 01:32:54,439 was gone and Grenda never found it it 2044 01:33:01,179 --> 01:32:56,510 was never in our house I never saw it 2045 01:33:07,119 --> 01:33:01,189 again a couple of still saying she was 2046 01:33:08,619 --> 01:33:07,129 down most I was praying one out Brenda 2047 01:33:10,719 --> 01:33:08,629 but low but I'm sure she was just 2048 01:33:12,459 --> 01:33:10,729 talking about she wrote the book sky 2049 01:33:14,709 --> 01:33:12,469 crash with thoughts tree and Jenny 2050 01:33:16,719 --> 01:33:14,719 Randall's it was about the orifices and 2051 01:33:19,839 --> 01:33:16,729 Brenda and Doc were the first ones to 2052 01:33:21,339 --> 01:33:19,849 investigate the first incident right in 2053 01:33:22,839 --> 01:33:21,349 the early days right from about 1980 2054 01:33:29,319 --> 01:33:22,849 when you first happened they yes they 2055 01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:29,329 got the first reports off of her I think 2056 01:33:38,290 --> 01:33:34,249 doctors with MUFON and beautifulness 2057 01:33:40,689 --> 01:33:38,300 ever before yeah so they what they are 2058 01:33:42,099 --> 01:33:40,699 they were already investigators and 2059 01:33:44,020 --> 01:33:42,109 that's how they came to hear about it 2060 01:33:47,649 --> 01:33:44,030 because you know they were kind of like 2061 01:33:49,599 --> 01:33:47,659 the area is known for it and they've got 2062 01:33:53,079 --> 01:33:49,609 their own sightings and experiences and 2063 01:33:56,079 --> 01:33:53,089 Brenda is an abductee so you know there 2064 01:33:59,169 --> 01:33:56,089 was already an imminent interest in it 2065 01:34:01,479 --> 01:33:59,179 anyway because of her experiences and 2066 01:34:04,540 --> 01:34:01,489 that came before Rendlesham so she was 2067 01:34:08,440 --> 01:34:04,550 already established and the phenomena 2068 01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:08,450 was already around her and 2069 01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:10,010 I don't know what goes on I'm not far as 2070 01:34:17,790 --> 01:34:14,690 some bloody weird stuff I've never seen 2071 01:34:21,130 --> 01:34:17,800 Bigfoot in there though a struggle with 2072 01:34:23,110 --> 01:34:21,140 the giant story now what he kind of 2073 01:34:24,910 --> 01:34:23,120 tried to believe because they'll just 2074 01:34:31,330 --> 01:34:24,920 tell it just I just can't get my head 2075 01:34:32,950 --> 01:34:31,340 around it the story did a follow up but 2076 01:34:35,710 --> 01:34:32,960 didn't she sky crashed throughout time 2077 01:34:40,170 --> 01:34:35,720 with Kinsella who's coming to the 2078 01:34:43,060 --> 01:34:40,180 conference and in that they talk about 2079 01:34:43,660 --> 01:34:43,070 reptilian that she had come knocking on 2080 01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:43,670 the door 2081 01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:46,610 yeah but they do do that they do 2082 01:34:51,370 --> 01:34:48,410 disguise themselves suffered I've seen 2083 01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:51,380 it myself in one of my experiences a 2084 01:34:58,090 --> 01:34:53,330 Sonya little go but it wasn't a little 2085 01:35:00,820 --> 01:34:58,100 girl I mean and Philip is a lovely car I 2086 01:35:02,050 --> 01:35:00,830 mean so I'll speak to a lot now and I'm 2087 01:35:04,990 --> 01:35:02,060 really looking for to actually meeting 2088 01:35:15,300 --> 01:35:05,000 him for the first time yeah that's when 2089 01:35:35,530 --> 01:35:23,530 yeah very supportive very gentle cells 2090 01:35:40,630 --> 01:35:35,540 very very nice and proper John Henson is 2091 01:35:42,220 --> 01:35:40,640 a hottie skies books yeah that's what 2092 01:35:43,810 --> 01:35:42,230 the conference easily so hope is this 2093 01:35:52,450 --> 01:35:43,820 sort of response to body holy scars 2094 01:36:01,810 --> 01:35:52,460 booked but yeah I've got some the alien 2095 01:36:06,810 --> 01:36:01,820 interview written done is a necklace you 2096 01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:06,820 know like people just ask for it but I 2097 01:36:13,630 --> 01:36:10,850 don't believe that if there was any 2098 01:36:14,710 --> 01:36:13,640 footage of an alien anywhere that it 2099 01:36:17,170 --> 01:36:14,720 would end up on the net 2100 01:36:19,570 --> 01:36:17,180 I don't believe that if an alien was 2101 01:36:22,300 --> 01:36:19,580 somehow killed that it would be left in 2102 01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:22,310 a glass case in a blowing 2103 01:36:26,980 --> 01:36:24,800 circus sideshow or whatever are that 2104 01:36:28,630 --> 01:36:26,990 there would be any dead bodies of aliens 2105 01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:28,640 left here when they can walk through 2106 01:36:32,980 --> 01:36:31,010 bloody walls and all this whatever they 2107 01:36:35,830 --> 01:36:32,990 do however they do it they're not going 2108 01:36:40,750 --> 01:36:35,840 to leave their dead strewn all over the 2109 01:36:47,230 --> 01:36:40,760 place so I'd never believed the alien 2110 01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:47,240 autopsy oh I felt so that well I was 2111 01:36:53,940 --> 01:36:49,610 thrown by my dad's a special effects guy 2112 01:36:56,050 --> 01:36:53,950 and he did all the makeup and also 2113 01:37:00,340 --> 01:36:56,060 animatronics was something that he did a 2114 01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:00,350 lot of and from being very very young I 2115 01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:04,370 was exposed to films like scanners the 2116 01:37:11,140 --> 01:37:08,090 howl in all of that kind of thing making 2117 01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:11,150 werewolf in london no they did that is 2118 01:37:17,050 --> 01:37:13,730 how you read my dad's magazines of how 2119 01:37:19,470 --> 01:37:17,060 they did that and so i just don't 2120 01:37:23,050 --> 01:37:19,480 believe in any of that and having 2121 01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:23,060 confessed to face with a grey you know 2122 01:37:27,250 --> 01:37:25,040 there's no way that day I controlled 2123 01:37:29,650 --> 01:37:27,260 there's no way in our pathetic human 2124 01:37:32,440 --> 01:37:29,660 puny bodies that we can do anything 2125 01:37:35,860 --> 01:37:32,450 amiss people say ice come their minds no 2126 01:37:37,510 --> 01:37:35,870 you don't you know you don't you can't 2127 01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:37,520 even move if they don't want you to move 2128 01:37:43,990 --> 01:37:40,370 right you only do what they allow you to 2129 01:37:48,010 --> 01:37:44,000 do so there's that's a lot of gibberish 2130 01:37:50,410 --> 01:37:48,020 so you know that they have this personal 2131 01:37:52,990 --> 01:37:50,420 energy about them that they're they can 2132 01:37:56,310 --> 01:37:53,000 actually put in your head or whatever so 2133 01:38:00,990 --> 01:37:56,320 this get this alien sat at a table 2134 01:38:05,530 --> 01:38:01,000 behind a very small window in the dark 2135 01:38:07,300 --> 01:38:05,540 all of that is deliberate to hide all of 2136 01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:07,310 the stuff that's going on to make this 2137 01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:08,960 thing function in the way that it does 2138 01:38:14,260 --> 01:38:11,690 you need the table because in all the 2139 01:38:17,230 --> 01:38:14,270 cables that you need to hide you need so 2140 01:38:18,790 --> 01:38:17,240 I'm very smart all like window otherwise 2141 01:38:20,260 --> 01:38:18,800 you've got to give it our arms and legs 2142 01:38:23,860 --> 01:38:20,270 and they've all got to be you know 2143 01:38:27,100 --> 01:38:23,870 operational as well and not look weird 2144 01:38:29,020 --> 01:38:27,110 so kind of like the head the eyes the 2145 01:38:31,150 --> 01:38:29,030 neck movement all that is very easy to 2146 01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:31,160 achieve especially if you're blacking it 2147 01:38:36,219 --> 01:38:34,250 all out there's many reasons why you 2148 01:38:38,859 --> 01:38:36,229 know I don't believe it 2149 01:38:40,569 --> 01:38:38,869 like the keep it in a dark room because 2150 01:38:42,250 --> 01:38:40,579 it's a eyes are sensitive to the light 2151 01:38:43,870 --> 01:38:42,260 but then apparently when it start 2152 01:38:47,890 --> 01:38:43,880 struggling struggling and there's and 2153 01:38:51,779 --> 01:38:47,900 alike its eyes right pupil response 2154 01:38:56,709 --> 01:38:54,430 you know I'm sorry there's just too many 2155 01:38:58,899 --> 01:38:56,719 things in it that said that it's not 2156 01:39:00,100 --> 01:38:58,909 even real and that is so easy to do with 2157 01:39:02,830 --> 01:39:00,110 only my seanix 2158 01:39:05,259 --> 01:39:02,840 got a good mask if you've got a good you 2159 01:39:07,180 --> 01:39:05,269 know when when I was a kid my dad had 2160 01:39:09,939 --> 01:39:07,190 these things Arnold Schwarzenegger his 2161 01:39:12,549 --> 01:39:09,949 head in our house just from memory from 2162 01:39:17,049 --> 01:39:12,559 this guy John this favorite dad to do 2163 01:39:18,580 --> 01:39:17,059 these masks you know latex masks and it 2164 01:39:21,609 --> 01:39:18,590 was absolutely perfect 2165 01:39:23,830 --> 01:39:21,619 it looks exactly like him so you know 2166 01:39:25,209 --> 01:39:23,840 it's you should think he must have said 2167 01:39:27,459 --> 01:39:25,219 that you can't do it he's character Don 2168 01:39:33,009 --> 01:39:27,469 it car seat camera dog and the and it's 2169 01:39:34,750 --> 01:39:33,019 owned by a production company not 2170 01:39:42,609 --> 01:39:34,760 believe in it we've just been subjected 2171 01:39:46,930 --> 01:39:42,619 to constant Hourani take your friends 2172 01:39:49,719 --> 01:39:46,940 away and believe it insulted because you 2173 01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:49,729 don't believe it yep and he was saying 2174 01:39:55,479 --> 01:39:53,570 that he didn't believe this abductee she 2175 01:39:57,699 --> 01:39:55,489 filmed herself disappearing from her bed 2176 01:40:00,459 --> 01:39:57,709 and pull me back 30 minutes later it was 2177 01:40:05,290 --> 01:40:00,469 features on that fact are fake and they 2178 01:40:07,449 --> 01:40:05,300 couldn't debunk it the footage is on the 2179 01:40:08,949 --> 01:40:07,459 DVR that NASA had to write a program for 2180 01:40:10,299 --> 01:40:08,959 us to get it off and they confirmed it 2181 01:40:13,259 --> 01:40:10,309 had never been second I've never been 2182 01:40:17,580 --> 01:40:13,269 interfered with all the rest of it you 2183 01:40:20,379 --> 01:40:17,590 know that's that's what happens and 2184 01:40:21,910 --> 01:40:20,389 there's no way that these things are 2185 01:40:25,239 --> 01:40:21,920 going to leave bodies lying around 2186 01:40:27,549 --> 01:40:25,249 or let them be you know interrogated in 2187 01:40:28,410 --> 01:40:27,559 that way or whatever it's just so 2188 01:40:31,209 --> 01:40:28,420 ridiculous 2189 01:40:33,430 --> 01:40:31,219 no I'm sorry I just got even believe all 2190 01:40:35,140 --> 01:40:33,440 that they've got their in control we're 2191 01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:35,150 not in control there well I mean I 2192 01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:37,010 support a supported by spirits Matthias 2193 01:40:40,810 --> 01:40:39,530 who was on them did a show last couple 2194 01:40:41,649 --> 01:40:40,820 of weeks dollars bail bail weaker so I 2195 01:40:44,350 --> 01:40:41,659 would go with them 2196 01:40:46,029 --> 01:40:44,360 Philip mantle and Chris Evers on there 2197 01:40:49,100 --> 01:40:46,039 as a little bit show didn't there yeah 2198 01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:49,110 Colin Wofford was on there and the 2199 01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:54,090 now warford and they really ran ring 2200 01:40:58,730 --> 01:40:55,770 rings around there didn't know he was 2201 01:41:00,110 --> 01:40:58,740 been there to give evidence some sort of 2202 01:41:03,410 --> 01:41:00,120 statements of evidence to say why he 2203 01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:03,420 believes you know it's all real really 2204 01:41:08,060 --> 01:41:04,890 there was nothing came out of it at all 2205 01:41:10,490 --> 01:41:08,070 I think spirits made offers to say we'll 2206 01:41:11,690 --> 01:41:10,500 take it and take it away and I'll pay 2207 01:41:15,470 --> 01:41:11,700 for it to get it tested and everything 2208 01:41:17,540 --> 01:41:15,480 and I know if you you know if you really 2209 01:41:20,630 --> 01:41:17,550 believe what you believe then you'll 2210 01:41:21,950 --> 01:41:20,640 take that offer up but yeah I think he's 2211 01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:21,960 everything's gone quiet on that scene 2212 01:41:26,900 --> 01:41:25,170 and what I gather I don't know with him 2213 01:41:28,970 --> 01:41:26,910 anyway because it's all just driver 2214 01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:28,980 isn't it 2215 01:41:37,010 --> 01:41:34,170 I like spirit I like a lot I was with a 2216 01:41:40,730 --> 01:41:37,020 UFO dates a magazine when whip filled 2217 01:41:43,310 --> 01:41:40,740 mantle when he went down to speak to 2218 01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:43,320 spirits and came back and told us old it 2219 01:41:46,700 --> 01:41:44,970 was definitely a hopes and all the 2220 01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:46,710 drawings another estimate seen at altar 2221 01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:49,650 then he spoke at a conference in 2007 or 2222 01:41:55,850 --> 01:41:53,130 8 remember which one but anyway I was 2223 01:41:58,790 --> 01:41:55,860 there and so to me he was never real you 2224 01:42:02,360 --> 01:41:58,800 know it was never real and the Roswell 2225 01:42:05,420 --> 01:42:02,370 slide was a big massive circus over a 2226 01:42:08,060 --> 01:42:05,430 graph a photograph that's what it was it 2227 01:42:09,770 --> 01:42:08,070 wasn't a real actual body everyone going 2228 01:42:10,340 --> 01:42:09,780 mad you're all ignorant if you don't 2229 01:42:12,170 --> 01:42:10,350 believe it 2230 01:42:13,970 --> 01:42:12,180 you don't understand the science don't 2231 01:42:15,980 --> 01:42:13,980 understand the science of what it's 2232 01:42:19,580 --> 01:42:15,990 about 100 dollars to see the real see 2233 01:42:22,700 --> 01:42:19,590 yeah yeah so I'd say Google and I found 2234 01:42:24,980 --> 01:42:22,710 what the condition is called but the the 2235 01:42:28,130 --> 01:42:24,990 chest cavity and the way that the ribs 2236 01:42:30,410 --> 01:42:28,140 are there's a particular condition and 2237 01:42:32,480 --> 01:42:30,420 it took me like about five minutes to 2238 01:42:35,570 --> 01:42:32,490 find it and be quite sure that that's 2239 01:42:37,850 --> 01:42:35,580 what was going on and to say this child 2240 01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:37,860 shouldn't be being paraded like this and 2241 01:42:41,420 --> 01:42:39,210 wherever it is it should be given a 2242 01:42:45,380 --> 01:42:41,430 decent burial it's not an alien it's a 2243 01:42:48,170 --> 01:42:45,390 dead child so you know obviously you 2244 01:42:50,050 --> 01:42:48,180 can't say that it's an attack so I got 2245 01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:50,060 attacked for saying that it's a child 2246 01:42:54,830 --> 01:42:53,010 you know it's like I've got sick and the 2247 01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:54,840 people think that I don't I think I'm 2248 01:42:58,550 --> 01:42:56,400 sure people think that I don't believe 2249 01:43:01,430 --> 01:42:58,560 in anything I do right I've had 2250 01:43:02,970 --> 01:43:01,440 experiences I've been abducted I've seen 2251 01:43:05,489 --> 01:43:02,980 UFOs or 2252 01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:05,499 I've seen one with a group of people and 2253 01:43:11,580 --> 01:43:08,650 one of them landed I've had multiple 2254 01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:11,590 multiple experiences of all kinds of 2255 01:43:17,489 --> 01:43:15,489 things but I do and I just don't believe 2256 01:43:20,729 --> 01:43:17,499 a lot of the crap that's out laughs yeah 2257 01:43:23,399 --> 01:43:20,739 you know there's people who do lie you 2258 01:43:26,989 --> 01:43:23,409 can make this stuff up you know people 2259 01:43:30,750 --> 01:43:26,999 say oh you can't make it oh yes you can 2260 01:43:31,890 --> 01:43:30,760 95% of the videos you see on you never 2261 01:43:33,839 --> 01:43:31,900 know which ones are real and which ones 2262 01:43:36,060 --> 01:43:33,849 off but I think for me I'm probably at 2263 01:43:40,919 --> 01:43:36,070 least 95 percent of them were faked 2264 01:43:43,859 --> 01:43:40,929 well somebody does a yearly hoax post a 2265 01:43:47,989 --> 01:43:43,869 list of all the names of all the hoaxes 2266 01:43:52,770 --> 01:43:47,999 and other dodgy sites and other CGI 2267 01:43:56,939 --> 01:43:52,780 creators and it must be a couple or 2268 01:44:01,890 --> 01:43:56,949 three hundred names long of well-known 2269 01:44:04,770 --> 01:44:01,900 hope sites so you know people really are 2270 01:44:07,859 --> 01:44:04,780 buying sensation and these excited 2271 01:44:09,930 --> 01:44:07,869 feelings because the reality of the 2272 01:44:12,089 --> 01:44:09,940 alien abduction scene and you know I 2273 01:44:14,279 --> 01:44:12,099 think it's really boring well the alien 2274 01:44:18,870 --> 01:44:14,289 abduction stuffs not boring it's just 2275 01:44:20,729 --> 01:44:18,880 too scary or you know the UFO stuff that 2276 01:44:23,609 --> 01:44:20,739 we get is too small and insignificant 2277 01:44:25,379 --> 01:44:23,619 it's that it's not close encounters why 2278 01:44:28,109 --> 01:44:25,389 isn't everybody anybody ever got a 2279 01:44:29,850 --> 01:44:28,119 camera oh you know we didn't have a 2280 01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:29,860 camera when we were on top of a mountain 2281 01:44:34,709 --> 01:44:32,530 in Wales in 1997 and they certainly 2282 01:44:35,339 --> 01:44:34,719 didn't have any phones with cameras on 2283 01:44:40,529 --> 01:44:35,349 at that time 2284 01:44:43,290 --> 01:44:40,539 yeah so Tom you get a camera and take 2285 01:44:44,910 --> 01:44:43,300 yourself or your phone you just switch 2286 01:44:46,259 --> 01:44:44,920 through it with your finger at the time 2287 01:44:50,850 --> 01:44:46,269 you've done all that it scurried gone 2288 01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:50,860 anyway yeah well I mean even if we'd 2289 01:44:54,209 --> 01:44:52,570 taken the video camera which was 2290 01:44:56,189 --> 01:44:54,219 actually still on the floor behind the 2291 01:44:58,560 --> 01:44:56,199 front door I don't think it would have 2292 01:45:04,979 --> 01:44:58,570 worked because you know something was 2293 01:45:07,410 --> 01:45:04,989 affecting you know the sheep were are 2294 01:45:10,129 --> 01:45:07,420 laying down subdued there was a fly in 2295 01:45:12,450 --> 01:45:10,139 the bathroom that was subdued that Steve 2296 01:45:14,790 --> 01:45:12,460 touched it didn't fly off but it wasn't 2297 01:45:16,409 --> 01:45:14,800 dead you know and we were all behaving 2298 01:45:18,389 --> 01:45:16,419 weirdly so 2299 01:45:22,169 --> 01:45:18,399 she's imagine whatever was emitting from 2300 01:45:23,580 --> 01:45:22,179 that craft above us was probably going 2301 01:45:26,159 --> 01:45:23,590 to interfere with the camera but I do 2302 01:45:30,750 --> 01:45:26,169 find it strange that of the big pile of 2303 01:45:32,879 --> 01:45:30,760 things that we took we miss the camera a 2304 01:45:36,149 --> 01:45:32,889 bit more detail about that we still got 2305 01:45:41,339 --> 01:45:36,159 about 10 minutes to go all right yeah 2306 01:45:44,250 --> 01:45:41,349 so the quick sip of my tea yes I went to 2307 01:45:46,739 --> 01:45:44,260 Wales in 1997 with my boyfriend 2308 01:45:50,489 --> 01:45:46,749 his sister his sister took her child 2309 01:45:54,779 --> 01:45:50,499 Joseph and also their Uncle John when I 2310 01:45:59,790 --> 01:45:54,789 was there with my son Louie and the two 2311 01:46:01,319 --> 01:45:59,800 boys Louie was about five six sorry and 2312 01:46:04,109 --> 01:46:01,329 Joseph will have been about fine from 2313 01:46:07,919 --> 01:46:04,119 every for about a year and a half apart 2314 01:46:10,409 --> 01:46:07,929 in age so gone to this little cottage in 2315 01:46:13,739 --> 01:46:10,419 February cos it's cheap and it's nice to 2316 01:46:15,959 --> 01:46:13,749 get away Wales is beautiful it's also a 2317 01:46:19,020 --> 01:46:15,969 lush and green and hilly and quiet and 2318 01:46:21,540 --> 01:46:19,030 nice you know so you get these really 2319 01:46:23,209 --> 01:46:21,550 good bargain deals in winter months and 2320 01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:23,219 these cottages so that's what we did 2321 01:46:28,589 --> 01:46:26,530 then on the Saturday night 2322 01:46:30,810 --> 01:46:28,599 I was gonna go a bath and Steve was 2323 01:46:32,549 --> 01:46:30,820 washing up and he got the mind in mind 2324 01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:32,559 to go and look outside and look at the 2325 01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:36,130 sky doing a bit of UFO spotting us Gary 2326 01:46:40,290 --> 01:46:38,489 watching if there are no it's cloudy 2327 01:46:42,330 --> 01:46:40,300 even though they won't be able to see 2328 01:46:45,569 --> 01:46:42,340 anything and then he said that his brain 2329 01:46:48,689 --> 01:46:45,579 said yeah but the youth's clouds to hide 2330 01:46:52,679 --> 01:46:48,699 and so it's decided to go out and have a 2331 01:46:54,779 --> 01:46:52,689 look and then after however long he 2332 01:46:55,620 --> 01:46:54,789 spotted some this flickering light off 2333 01:46:58,080 --> 01:46:55,630 in the distance 2334 01:47:00,779 --> 01:46:58,090 as far as far off as you could say 2335 01:47:02,609 --> 01:47:00,789 basically I don't know what distance 2336 01:47:07,049 --> 01:47:02,619 that is across the sky when you're on 2337 01:47:09,179 --> 01:47:07,059 top of a mountain coming from yeah well 2338 01:47:11,219 --> 01:47:09,189 I know I know it was pretty big but it 2339 01:47:13,290 --> 01:47:11,229 was far far away I don't know how many 2340 01:47:15,029 --> 01:47:13,300 miles I used to say I used to think that 2341 01:47:15,959 --> 01:47:15,039 was probably about 20 miles but 2342 01:47:18,929 --> 01:47:15,969 apparently it's not 2343 01:47:23,250 --> 01:47:18,939 so however far away the horizon is there 2344 01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:23,260 and it was moving off to our right well 2345 01:47:27,719 --> 01:47:26,050 Steve called me out and I'm leaning on 2346 01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:27,729 the wall I'm going Patsy it can't see it 2347 01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:30,250 so I ended up looking along his arm 2348 01:47:33,540 --> 01:47:32,170 longest finger sweary was pointing and 2349 01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:33,550 then I saw something that I thought was 2350 01:47:37,410 --> 01:47:35,890 lightning and I said I think it's like 2351 01:47:39,630 --> 01:47:37,420 there and then he said it's not watching 2352 01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:39,640 so I kept watching it was coming on and 2353 01:47:43,620 --> 01:47:42,130 going off when I'm going off and it was 2354 01:47:46,230 --> 01:47:43,630 exactly the same every time and 2355 01:47:49,590 --> 01:47:46,240 lightning isn't so it was moving and 2356 01:47:51,150 --> 01:47:49,600 just flashing and then it stopped and it 2357 01:47:53,220 --> 01:47:51,160 started getting bigger because it was 2358 01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:53,230 coming towards us and it Zig zagged over 2359 01:47:58,080 --> 01:47:55,210 I don't know how long it sick it was 2360 01:47:59,880 --> 01:47:58,090 slow it wasn't in any rush and it kind 2361 01:48:02,280 --> 01:47:59,890 of went behind the house and in front of 2362 01:48:05,430 --> 01:48:02,290 the house and was we were all out by 2363 01:48:08,820 --> 01:48:05,440 then watching it and it came to be 2364 01:48:12,390 --> 01:48:08,830 literally right over our heads over the 2365 01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:12,400 house and you know the central circle of 2366 01:48:16,770 --> 01:48:15,010 light it was the typical kind of think 2367 01:48:18,990 --> 01:48:16,780 central circle of brilliant white light 2368 01:48:21,930 --> 01:48:19,000 that you could look up didn't hurt your 2369 01:48:24,180 --> 01:48:21,940 eyes and everything it touched was you 2370 01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:24,190 know the light touch it went blue so 2371 01:48:27,750 --> 01:48:26,050 everybody had a blue tinge to them now 2372 01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:27,760 the walls of the house had a blue tinge 2373 01:48:32,460 --> 01:48:30,730 everything that this blue tinge my son 2374 01:48:34,140 --> 01:48:32,470 said that hundred come through had um 2375 01:48:35,970 --> 01:48:34,150 touched his fault and that it wasn't his 2376 01:48:38,940 --> 01:48:35,980 imagination it really saw it with his 2377 01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:38,950 eyes and he was terrified so I said to 2378 01:48:44,460 --> 01:48:42,010 Steve you know let's uh come back in but 2379 01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:44,470 a little while before that the I'm 2380 01:48:48,090 --> 01:48:46,210 noticed a strobe light on the side of 2381 01:48:50,370 --> 01:48:48,100 the house which was to my right and 2382 01:48:53,850 --> 01:48:50,380 slightly behind but can a saw the flash 2383 01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:53,860 that I looked was orange strobe effect 2384 01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:56,320 and I looked round and there was a 2385 01:49:00,450 --> 01:48:57,610 sphere on the ground 2386 01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:00,460 totally I don't know it's hard to 2387 01:49:05,220 --> 01:49:03,730 remember exactly but maybe it's ah it's 2388 01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:05,230 just tall enough for somebody to stand 2389 01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:08,410 up in but it was emitting this like gray 2390 01:49:12,930 --> 01:49:10,810 white light every other second like 2391 01:49:17,310 --> 01:49:12,940 pulsing quite slowly with all this mist 2392 01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:17,320 sort of surrounding it and rolling 2393 01:49:22,380 --> 01:49:21,250 around and so we took the kids think 2394 01:49:26,430 --> 01:49:22,390 because they were getting scared 2395 01:49:28,380 --> 01:49:26,440 John was I think struggling with it he 2396 01:49:31,050 --> 01:49:28,390 said it was the aurora borealis at one 2397 01:49:33,990 --> 01:49:31,060 point but when we found him chopping 2398 01:49:36,750 --> 01:49:34,000 into a door frame with an axe in the 2399 01:49:38,970 --> 01:49:36,760 shed it distracts him Joseph but I think 2400 01:49:40,230 --> 01:49:38,980 he was equally destructed himself he was 2401 01:49:42,930 --> 01:49:40,240 saying this is how we chop the wood 2402 01:49:43,770 --> 01:49:42,940 Joseph and I think he was just scared 2403 01:49:48,029 --> 01:49:43,780 and the kids 2404 01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:48,039 scared and I think the children had the 2405 01:49:52,919 --> 01:49:49,690 right attitude about it whereas we were 2406 01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:52,929 all like you know you know Steve said he 2407 01:49:56,669 --> 01:49:55,090 started to get nervous but you start to 2408 01:49:58,529 --> 01:49:56,679 get nervous you should be like oh my 2409 01:50:00,120 --> 01:49:58,539 lord right from the very onset of it 2410 01:50:03,060 --> 01:50:00,130 what the hell is going on not like oh 2411 01:50:06,390 --> 01:50:03,070 well but this world this is Wow awesome 2412 01:50:08,580 --> 01:50:06,400 yeah and then so it took the kids back 2413 01:50:09,870 --> 01:50:08,590 in the house and Steve went straight to 2414 01:50:11,629 --> 01:50:09,880 the sink and started drying the dishes 2415 01:50:13,379 --> 01:50:11,639 that had been washing before he went out 2416 01:50:16,890 --> 01:50:13,389 even though they must have been dry 2417 01:50:18,689 --> 01:50:16,900 we've been out there that long and John 2418 01:50:21,060 --> 01:50:18,699 and Danny went to sit back in the front 2419 01:50:22,770 --> 01:50:21,070 room and watch TV and the children went 2420 01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:22,780 back to the bottom of the stairs where 2421 01:50:26,580 --> 01:50:24,730 they were playing when Steve had shouted 2422 01:50:29,430 --> 01:50:26,590 me down from upstairs because I was in 2423 01:50:30,450 --> 01:50:29,440 the bedroom and there they all just went 2424 01:50:32,339 --> 01:50:30,460 back to doing what they were doing 2425 01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:32,349 before like fireworks were over it was 2426 01:50:37,709 --> 01:50:35,050 like always big yeah I thought Jeff this 2427 01:50:40,169 --> 01:50:37,719 I said I'm off back outside and nobody 2428 01:50:41,729 --> 01:50:40,179 went don't do that ah I didn't think it 2429 01:50:43,350 --> 01:50:41,739 was a bad idea I was just like oh 2430 01:50:46,020 --> 01:50:43,360 they're being weird 2431 01:50:48,060 --> 01:50:46,030 look not the situation is weird they 2432 01:50:50,490 --> 01:50:48,070 were behaving weirdly for the situation 2433 01:50:53,189 --> 01:50:50,500 this I knew and that was all I knew and 2434 01:50:55,890 --> 01:50:53,199 I walked out of the house and what's up 2435 01:50:57,959 --> 01:50:55,900 the full length of the garden so where 2436 01:51:00,450 --> 01:50:57,969 we were stood before with the sphere on 2437 01:51:02,819 --> 01:51:00,460 the ground behind me and this bloody 2438 01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:02,829 craft above us which I could only see 2439 01:51:07,260 --> 01:51:05,050 about 60 feet of it but as it was coming 2440 01:51:09,479 --> 01:51:07,270 towards us it was rippling like a big 2441 01:51:11,839 --> 01:51:09,489 giant jellyfish through the clouds with 2442 01:51:14,700 --> 01:51:11,849 all these lights that were flashing and 2443 01:51:16,740 --> 01:51:14,710 so we just sitting there I was just 2444 01:51:19,229 --> 01:51:16,750 underneath this and I add something run 2445 01:51:21,899 --> 01:51:19,239 up behind me and bump into my back and 2446 01:51:23,790 --> 01:51:21,909 it kind of as it run past me it sort of 2447 01:51:25,649 --> 01:51:23,800 took my jumper as it won't you know like 2448 01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:25,659 if someone English got caught on yeah 2449 01:51:30,839 --> 01:51:28,210 but it's my immediate left there was a 2450 01:51:33,209 --> 01:51:30,849 brick wall so I don't even know where it 2451 01:51:34,799 --> 01:51:33,219 would have gone but then you know I 2452 01:51:37,879 --> 01:51:34,809 didn't even think that at the time 2453 01:51:40,470 --> 01:51:37,889 because I realized that I was running 2454 01:51:42,569 --> 01:51:40,480 you know after I say it wasn't a case of 2455 01:51:44,189 --> 01:51:42,579 oh my god I need to get back to the 2456 01:51:47,129 --> 01:51:44,199 house or anything it was fight off like 2457 01:51:49,589 --> 01:51:47,139 I got that boom running and I couldn't 2458 01:51:53,069 --> 01:51:49,599 see anything I was completely blind and 2459 01:51:56,950 --> 01:51:53,079 I I just ran I thought just just run in 2460 01:51:59,650 --> 01:51:56,960 I you know under control and got into 2461 01:52:02,020 --> 01:51:59,660 house and said see something's just run 2462 01:52:03,550 --> 01:52:02,030 up and touch me and he just looked at 2463 01:52:05,350 --> 01:52:03,560 the clock on the cooker and said well 2464 01:52:07,810 --> 01:52:05,360 you haven't been out there long say you 2465 01:52:09,970 --> 01:52:07,820 haven't had any missin time like you 2466 01:52:12,250 --> 01:52:09,980 know cuz that's normal isn't it yeah 2467 01:52:14,470 --> 01:52:12,260 yeah so my head went at that point and 2468 01:52:16,150 --> 01:52:14,480 that just totally was like close old 2469 01:52:17,440 --> 01:52:16,160 curtains shut on went that Bible you 2470 01:52:21,550 --> 01:52:17,450 know like barricade ourselves in 2471 01:52:25,090 --> 01:52:21,560 basically no I know I've never got over 2472 01:52:29,080 --> 01:52:25,100 it David I mean it that's that was the 2473 01:52:35,110 --> 01:52:29,090 PCs a moment for me about much about 2474 01:52:36,940 --> 01:52:35,120 afterwards between you and I talking 2475 01:52:40,060 --> 01:52:36,950 about Joseph but everyone else remembers 2476 01:52:42,420 --> 01:52:40,070 it but we all drifted apart and so Louie 2477 01:52:46,120 --> 01:52:42,430 remembers the lights and the Hammond and 2478 01:52:48,010 --> 01:52:46,130 not much else but you know obviously I 2479 01:52:50,380 --> 01:52:48,020 remember I remember Steve remembers what 2480 01:52:52,290 --> 01:52:50,390 he remembers it just I was hoping that 2481 01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:52,300 when we found each other after 13 years 2482 01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:55,760 that he would say oh no it didn't happen 2483 01:53:01,000 --> 01:52:58,400 like why it was just this but it was 2484 01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:01,010 like no that happened yes that's what I 2485 01:53:04,510 --> 01:53:02,570 remember this is what I remember and 2486 01:53:06,550 --> 01:53:04,520 Daniel was like this is what I remember 2487 01:53:10,390 --> 01:53:06,560 and it's like we all remember the same 2488 01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:10,400 things and how big it was and all the 2489 01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:11,450 rest of it I thought I must've 2490 01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:14,330 exaggerated it in my mind I must why was 2491 01:53:18,700 --> 01:53:16,489 it so low and still in the clouds well 2492 01:53:20,410 --> 01:53:18,710 we were you can't get false memories 2493 01:53:24,130 --> 01:53:20,420 when you're taught to think about things 2494 01:53:26,620 --> 01:53:24,140 again and well bury it and not think 2495 01:53:28,840 --> 01:53:26,630 about it try and reduce it down to its 2496 01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:28,850 like smallest components uh it's not 2497 01:53:32,350 --> 01:53:31,010 overwhelming but it it just never 2498 01:53:35,590 --> 01:53:32,360 stopped playing in my head every single 2499 01:53:37,660 --> 01:53:35,600 day every day all day it was just there 2500 01:53:41,860 --> 01:53:37,670 in my head and after eight years 2501 01:53:43,990 --> 01:53:41,870 I just broken money and ruptured money 2502 01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:44,000 of our operations on the left lane it's 2503 01:53:48,580 --> 01:53:47,090 he's still knocked but I was barred and 2504 01:53:51,070 --> 01:53:48,590 bought a computer because I couldn't go 2505 01:53:53,590 --> 01:53:51,080 to work you know and ended up talking 2506 01:53:55,090 --> 01:53:53,600 about it on a UFO forum because I 2507 01:53:56,650 --> 01:53:55,100 couldn't contain you anymore and I 2508 01:53:58,540 --> 01:53:56,660 thought you know what I don't care I'm 2509 01:53:59,979 --> 01:53:58,550 just gonna make up a silly name and I'm 2510 01:54:01,780 --> 01:53:59,989 gonna go on and I'm just gonna tell what 2511 01:54:04,270 --> 01:54:01,790 happened and maybe I'll feel back there 2512 01:54:07,270 --> 01:54:04,280 but it just over ups it from where and 2513 01:54:09,190 --> 01:54:07,280 that was 25th of June 2005 the first 2514 01:54:11,060 --> 01:54:09,200 time I ever said anything about it to 2515 01:54:13,620 --> 01:54:11,070 anybody on the Internet 2516 01:54:16,230 --> 01:54:13,630 yes to me that should be only in a book 2517 01:54:20,070 --> 01:54:16,240 I mean in some ways it's kind of even as 2518 01:54:22,650 --> 01:54:20,080 much as as exciting as the RFI isn't it 2519 01:54:25,740 --> 01:54:22,660 when you think about it yeah yeah it's 2520 01:54:29,100 --> 01:54:25,750 not and I didn't realize what kind of an 2521 01:54:31,200 --> 01:54:29,110 unusual and rare even it is because you 2522 01:54:33,330 --> 01:54:31,210 know aware of the UFL community had 2523 01:54:36,060 --> 01:54:33,340 already seen something as a kid so I was 2524 01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:36,070 sort of interested and he said you've 2525 01:54:41,520 --> 01:54:38,320 read all these stories and like you have 2526 01:54:43,140 --> 01:54:41,530 a magazine etc and you think oh well you 2527 01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:43,150 know they all know what's going on and 2528 01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:44,560 then they'll be able to help me so I 2529 01:54:51,030 --> 01:54:48,210 came to the Internet to try and heal and 2530 01:54:54,480 --> 01:54:51,040 you know it's been a quite a journey but 2531 01:54:56,250 --> 01:54:54,490 after 13 years I think I found my feet 2532 01:54:58,650 --> 01:54:56,260 now and then it's kind of being 2533 01:55:01,050 --> 01:54:58,660 normalized even though it's so abnormal 2534 01:55:03,570 --> 01:55:01,060 just being able to talk about it and 2535 01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:03,580 have other people around me who have 2536 01:55:09,650 --> 01:55:07,210 like mirror feelings from their event 2537 01:55:12,810 --> 01:55:09,660 and similar events it's kind of made it 2538 01:55:15,660 --> 01:55:12,820 feel less abnormal and made me feel less 2539 01:55:17,220 --> 01:55:15,670 abnormal and that's when the healing 2540 01:55:19,230 --> 01:55:17,230 starts though so anybody out there 2541 01:55:22,740 --> 01:55:19,240 listening if you find the right people 2542 01:55:25,470 --> 01:55:22,750 to talk to you will be able to heal but 2543 01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:25,480 you know it's it's the key word there is 2544 01:55:30,660 --> 01:55:26,770 the right people because there are 2545 01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:30,670 o'clock yeah the other thing is the 2546 01:55:34,260 --> 01:55:33,010 well-meaning people who say oh well if 2547 01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:34,270 that's happens here then you will have 2548 01:55:37,590 --> 01:55:36,130 been abducted and when their abductors 2549 01:55:39,090 --> 01:55:37,600 are put things that we know as the put 2550 01:55:41,010 --> 01:55:39,100 things in your hand or put things in 2551 01:55:43,260 --> 01:55:41,020 your spine you know that you know they 2552 01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:43,270 do they sat on the other and and they 2553 01:55:48,660 --> 01:55:45,970 fill your head full of stuff that might 2554 01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:48,670 not actually be true for you you know so 2555 01:55:53,970 --> 01:55:50,770 that's that's well-being but it's 2556 01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:53,980 pollution and it took me a few years to 2557 01:55:57,750 --> 01:55:56,410 actually deprogram myself from that 2558 01:55:58,980 --> 01:55:57,760 because it was like I believed 2559 01:56:02,480 --> 01:55:58,990 everything they said at first because 2560 01:56:05,490 --> 01:56:02,490 you assume that the it's all established 2561 01:56:08,190 --> 01:56:05,500 and the knowledge of all of this is 2562 01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:08,200 understood by various people because 2563 01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:10,090 they've been doing this for seven 2564 01:56:14,100 --> 01:56:12,370 decades at least so something must be 2565 01:56:18,450 --> 01:56:14,110 established by way of some form of 2566 01:56:20,340 --> 01:56:18,460 recovery or psychology you know wellness 2567 01:56:22,500 --> 01:56:20,350 but there's nothing there's just 2568 01:56:24,030 --> 01:56:22,510 everybody wants you story or they want 2569 01:56:25,320 --> 01:56:24,040 you to talk about it 2570 01:56:27,510 --> 01:56:25,330 and then it's going to be in their 2571 01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:27,520 Borkar blah blah blah but there's 2572 01:56:34,020 --> 01:56:30,970 literally the support isn't that that 2573 01:56:37,410 --> 01:56:34,030 needs to be and the policing isn't there 2574 01:56:41,940 --> 01:56:37,420 that needs to be so it's a little bit of 2575 01:56:43,590 --> 01:56:41,950 a dangerous community because there's a 2576 01:56:47,160 --> 01:56:43,600 lot of people out there who want to 2577 01:56:50,370 --> 01:56:47,170 manipulate ya want to control yeah I'll 2578 01:56:51,780 --> 01:56:50,380 just measure my head and yeah and then 2579 01:56:56,730 --> 01:56:51,790 those are a lot of them who just want 2580 01:56:59,580 --> 01:56:56,740 you money so it's it's very hard to find 2581 01:57:01,290 --> 01:56:59,590 out who's who because as soon as you 2582 01:57:03,150 --> 01:57:01,300 come on the scene all the people that 2583 01:57:04,410 --> 01:57:03,160 you should actually avoid are the ones 2584 01:57:09,150 --> 01:57:04,420 that will present themselves to you 2585 01:57:11,990 --> 01:57:09,160 first so you know like just don't trust 2586 01:57:16,290 --> 01:57:12,000 everybody I don't trust anybody actually 2587 01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:16,300 and until you feel that you're talking 2588 01:57:22,050 --> 01:57:19,690 to somebody who actually really does 2589 01:57:23,220 --> 01:57:22,060 yeah yeah I mean even then it's still 2590 01:57:25,350 --> 01:57:23,230 not guaranteed that they're going to be 2591 01:57:27,390 --> 01:57:25,360 legit and there are a lot of very 2592 01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:27,400 convincing layers and we don't see in 2593 01:57:32,010 --> 01:57:29,170 other people because it doesn't exist 2594 01:57:34,920 --> 01:57:32,020 inside ourselves so we're not winking is 2595 01:57:38,340 --> 01:57:34,930 this guy out to you know shaft maybe cuz 2596 01:57:40,290 --> 01:57:38,350 you don't think like that well I hate to 2597 01:57:46,470 --> 01:57:40,300 cut you off but darling because we've 2598 01:57:51,450 --> 01:57:46,480 run out of time yeah we're gonna be 2599 01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:51,460 running into the next show okay great 2600 01:57:55,430 --> 01:57:52,930 pleasure thank you very much for coming 2601 01:57:57,870 --> 01:57:55,440 on and telling us all your stories and 2602 01:58:03,270 --> 01:57:57,880 maybe we can get you back again sometime 2603 01:58:04,770 --> 01:58:03,280 and been your first guest thank me to 2604 01:58:06,950 --> 01:58:04,780 have your nose my first case thank you 2605 01:58:09,330 --> 01:58:06,960 very much I really appreciate you and 2606 01:58:14,810 --> 01:58:09,340 also two points you know and thank you 2607 01:58:21,690 --> 01:58:18,840 wait just to finish if you want to check 2608 01:58:23,070 --> 01:58:21,700 out on Tasha Christy you can do glue I'm 2609 01:58:25,890 --> 01:58:23,080 sure you'll find a lot of her blocks 2610 01:58:28,920 --> 01:58:25,900 endure and it's info maniac you'll be 2611 01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:28,930 looking for not anyway I've got to say 2612 01:58:31,830 --> 01:58:30,490 goodbye now to you all thank you very 2613 01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:31,840 much for listening to my first show and 2614 01:58:35,510 --> 01:58:33,730 hopefully we'll have somebody another 2615 01:58:38,570 --> 01:58:35,520 interesting guest 2616 01:59:30,649 --> 01:58:38,580 for my next one so I'll say goodbye and